Isha Marathe, a tech reporter for American Lawyer Media, joined the podcast to discuss her recent article on how deep fake technology is coming to litigation and whether the legal system is prepared. Deep fakes are hyper-realistic images, videos or audio created using artificial intelligence to manipulate or generate fake content. They are easy and inexpensive to create but difficult to detect. Marathe believes deep fakes have the potential to severely impact the integrity of evidence and the trial process if the legal system is unprepared.

E-discovery professionals are on the front lines of detecting deep fakes used as evidence, according to Marathe. However, they currently only have limited tools and methods to authenticate digital evidence and determine if it is real or AI-generated. Marathe argues judges and lawyers also need to be heavily educated on the latest developments in deep fake technology in order to counter their use in court. Regulations, laws and advanced detection technology are still lacking but urgently needed.

Marathe predicts that in the next two to five years, deep fakes will significantly start to affect litigation and pose risks to the judicial process if key players are unprepared. States will likely pass a patchwork of laws to regulate AI-generated images. Sophisticated detection software will emerge but will not be equally available in all courts, raising issues of equity and access to justice.

The two recent cases where parties claimed evidence as deep fakes highlight the issues at stake but did not dramatically alter the trial outcomes. However, as deep fake technology continues to rapidly advance, it may soon be weaponized to generate highly compelling and persuasive fake evidence that could dupe both legal professionals and jurors. Once seen, such imagery can be hard to ignore, even if proven to be false or AI-generated.

Marathe argues that addressing and adapting to the rise of deep fakes will require a multi-pronged solution: education, technology tools, regulations and policy changes. But progress on all fronts is slow while threats escalate quickly. Deep fakes pose an alarm for legal professionals and the public, dragging the legal system as a whole into an era of “post-truth.” Trust in the integrity of evidence and trial outcomes could be at stake. Overall, it was an informative if sobering discussion on the state of the legal system’s preparedness for inevitable collisions with deep fake technology.

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Continue Reading The Rise of “Post-Truth” Litigation: ALM’s Isha Marathe on How Deep Fakes Threaten the Legal System (TGIR Ep. 209)

Our guest this week is Kristina Satkunas, Director of Analytic Consulting at LexisNexis. Kristina discusses the recently released LexisNexis CounselLink Enterprise Legal Management Trends Report for 2023. This annual report provides insights and benchmarks on key metrics related to corporate legal spending and outside counsel relationships.

The 2023 report found that law firm hourly rates increased 4.5% over the past year, the highest year-over-year increase in the 10 years LexisNexis has published the report. While rate increases are not surprising, the magnitude is noteworthy. Kris attributes the largest drivers of the increase to economic factors like inflation as well as lower demand for certain types of legal work. However, average blended rates (the rates charged for entire matters rather than individual timekeepers) remained relatively flat. This suggests in-house counsel are mitigating rate hikes by changing the mix of firms, timekeepers, and types of timekeepers working their matters.

The report also found the ongoing trend of consolidation to fewer outside firms continues, with 61% of companies using 10 or fewer firms for 80% of their legal spending. Kristina expects this trend to remain relatively stable but notes there are benefits to using both a smaller number of firms (e.g. better rates, stronger relationships) and a larger number of firms (e.g. subject matter expertise, competitive rates). She recommends companies determine when to use large firms versus smaller or midsize firms based on factors like matter complexity, risk profile, and cost.

Alternative fee arrangements (AFAs) have not gained significant traction according to the report, remaining at about 12% of matters. Kristina is an advocate for wider AFA adoption and believes companies need to ask for and consider AFA proposals, especially for appropriate matters. AFAs can help buffer rising hourly rates. She acknowledges AFAs require effort to evaluate and implement but thinks legal operations teams and outside counsel should work together using data and analytics to develop reasonable AFA proposals.

The report provides new data on international lawyer rates in 22 countries. Rates differ significantly between countries based on factors like a country’s economy, political stability, and role in global trade and commerce. Many companies are leveraging international firms for regulatory, litigation, IP, and other legal needs outside the U.S. Benchmark data on rates in different countries provides helpful context, especially when engaging firms in new countries.

Kristina sees two significant changes on the horizon:

  1. Determining how to properly and effectively employ AI and technology to increase efficiency and reduce costs; and
  2. Continued access to data enabling both in-house and outside counsel to make smarter, data-driven decisions.

When asked what metric in-house and outside counsel should focus on, Kristina recommends using available data, whether from the survey or a company’s own systems. Data is a “two-way street” that should be shared collaboratively to improve decision making.

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Continue Reading The Rising Cost of Legal Services: Insights from 10 Years of Data from CounselLink’s Kristina Satkunas

This week on The Geek in Review, Marlene Gebauer and Greg Lambert talk with Curt Meltzer, principal of Meltzer Consulting, LLC. Meltzer has over 40 years of experience in the legal and legal tech industry. He discusses his interest in pro bono and community outreach programs in law firms and legal tech companies. He notes that while 95% of AmLaw 200 law firms highlight pro bono work on their websites, many legal tech companies do not prioritize these efforts.

Meltzer emphasizes that pro bono and community work is good for business. It enhances company culture, helps with recruiting and retaining top talent, and strengthens customer relationships. He argues that legal tech companies should consider emulating their law firm clients’ community programs. This could include donating software or services, allowing employees paid time off for volunteer work, or collaborating directly with organizations that law firm clients support.

Meltzer highlights LexisNexis and Thomson Reuters as leaders in the legal tech industry for their work promoting access to justice and the rule of law around the world. However, he notes that companies of any size can contribute, whether through recognizing employees who volunteer or donating resources. He published a list of 41 legal tech companies that do highlight community outreach on their websites to raise awareness, though he found 39 companies with no mention of such efforts.

Meltzer sees both opportunities and challenges ahead. Private equity investment in legal tech companies may prioritize short-term profits over community programs. However, companies that do not respond to customer interest in their pro bono and corporate social responsibility initiatives risk losing business to competitors. Overall, Meltzer aims to foster conversations about strengthening the relationship between the legal tech community and the broader community. Corporations that embrace ESG programs and give back to the communities they serve will thrive.

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This week we bring in Christian Lang, the CEO and founder of LEGA, a company that provides a secure platform for law firms and legal departments to safely implement and govern the use of large language models (LLMs) like Open AI’s GPT-4, Google’s Bard, and Anthropic’s Claude. Christian talks with us about why he started LEGA, the value LEGA provides to law firms and legal departments, the challenges around security, confidentiality, and other issues as LLMs become more widely used, and how LEGA helps solve those problems.

Christian started LEGA after gaining experience working with law firms through his previous company, Reynen Court. He saw an opportunity to give law firms a way to quickly implement and test LLMs while maintaining control and governance over data and compliance. LEGA provides a sandbox environment for law firms to explore different LLMs and AI tools to find use cases. The platform handles user management, policy enforcement, and auditing to give firms visibility into how the technologies are being used.

Christian believes law firms want to use technologies like LLMs but struggle with how to do so securely and in a compliant way. LEGA allows them to get started right away without a huge investment in time or money. The platform is also flexible enough to work with any model a firm wants to use. As law firms get comfortable, LEGA will allow them to scale successful use cases across the organization.

On the challenges law firms face, Christian points to Shadow IT as people will find ways to use the technologies with or without the firm’s permission. Firms need to provide good options to users or risk losing control and oversight. He also discusses the difficulty in training new lawyers as LLMs make some tasks too easy, the coming market efficiencies in legal services, and the strategic curation of knowledge that will still require human judgment.

Some potential use cases for law firms include live chatbots, document summarization, contract review, legal research, and market intelligence gathering. As models allow for more tailored data inputs, the use cases will expand further. Overall, Christian is excited for how LLMs and AI can transform the legal industry but emphasizes that strong governance and oversight are key to implementing them successfully.

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Continue Reading Christian Lang on Governing the Rise of LLMs: How LEGA Provides a Safe Space for Law Firms to Use AI (TGIR Ep. 206)

[After receiving some valuable input from a pricing person I trust and have great respect for – I made some edits to this article. Thanks Eugenia.]

 

I have had several epiphanies of late, and they reverberate back to almost everything I have been doing to drive innovation in the legal industry over the past many years. At its core, what I’ve realized is that I’ve been missing something fundamental about measuring value.

The legal industry has struggled to put its arms around value. Implicit in this struggle is the idea that the data we have been collecting contains something of value to measure. But if that’s true, then how do we explain the many, mostly futile, attempts which have been made to measure value? One prominent example is task codes, those magical bits of metadata that are somehow supposed to divine value from thin air. As we all know, the promise of task codes has been largely unrealized.

Many other, similar attempts have been made to measure value. None delivered.

Before I share my epiphanies, I want to disclose that I am now the CEO of NextGenLPM, which provides Legal Project Management (LPM) coaching and consulting services. In my previous life as a Chief Practice Management Officer at a 1,200-lawyer firm, I had hired NextGenLPM because I viewed them as the best option for LPM training, primarily because they provided in-line coaching with real client engagements. NextGenLPM takes a practical approach that helps lawyers and LPM professionals solve actual problems in their practices, producing real-time, real-world improvements. Since most of my LPM team had direct client interactions, I wanted the best-in-market education for them. I also wanted to demonstrate my commitment to their careers. It was a good investment: Not only did our LPM team develop best-in-market LPM skills, but the firm was able to retain a highly skilled and valuable team.

Back to my epiphanies

When I looked at the scoping/budgeting process within a law firm, I realized that attorneys, as well as pricing and LPM teams, struggle to develop functional scope for each engagement, which means the fees they establish lack a certain foundation. The problem is that even though attorneys are the legal Subject Matter Experts (SMEs) and have interaction with clients who ultimately determine value, they do not have – or are willing to spend – the time to develop scope for a meaningful budget in collaboration with pricing and LPM teams.

So, what do pricing and LPM teams do to support attorneys?  They try to establish scope by extracting some level of information from lawyers (the SMEs), then they do their best to instill confidence in the lawyers, so they are willing to set their fees at a realistic level. Even this backwards approach can deliver a very high ROI. A case study by one of my former pricing managers revealed an annual ROI of $7m per pricing manager.

But two problems persist:

Problem #1 – Subject matter expertise rests with lawyers, so most attempts by pricing or LPM teams to define scope are highly challenged without attorneys’ active participation.

Problem #2 – A budget without scope and a work plan is meaningless.

And that was my first epiphany: No Scope = No Real Budget.

Scope defines value: It identifies what the client wants, and ultimately how much the client is willing to pay for that. The work plan details what work must be delivered, and it forces the team to be thorough in their analysis of how best to provide value before the work begins.

As I thought about this more, I had a second epiphany: Lawyers (SMEs) must establish scope and a comprehensive work plan at the beginning of each matter to have something to measure against.

For years, we have been looking at historic data thinking we could find some magic in the numbers. But I see now that looking at past matters is an ineffective way for determining scope for future matters, because we are literally measuring against nothing.

After-the-fact scope does not – and never will – determine the scope of the next engagement. Using this outdated approach does not offer the type of precision we truly want, because every legal matter is unique. Lawyers must scope out each project, or set of projects, at the beginning.[1]  Only then do we have a true foundation to measure against.

It’s not in the data

To better describe the current situation and the importance of these insights, consider the following axiom I’ve been hearing for years: “It’s in the data.” We have presumed that law firms are sitting on piles of useful data, and they merely need to analyze that data to discover ‘truths.’

However, I can categorically say, ‘it’ is not in the data. For years lawyers have challenged me to analyze data to determine what price should be set for a given engagement. I remember the first time I was assigned this task. Back then, I was naive enough to think there was gold in the data, so I enthusiastically jumped at the chance. The challenge was to analyze single plaintiff employment litigation cases to determine how these types of matters should be priced.

First, though, there was a fundamental data problem: I was unable to pull matters of this type from the system. Why? Because the metadata codes in place were C.R.A.P. (a technical term meaning … ‘Codes Reimagined As Poop’). The data wasn’t useful because the people who were responsible for assigning the codes didn’t care which codes were used – only that matters were opened promptly.

So, the only way I could find a baseline set of matters was to ask the practice group partners directly. The partners were given basic parameters for the type of case we wanted to analyze. I received 35 matters in response to my request. I then dove into the analysis, only to be greatly disappointed. What I discovered were fees ranging from $9k to $900k with no useful median. Not to be deterred, I started calling partners to better understand how such a wide range of fees could come from this well-defined, curated set of matters.

The disappointment continued. The $9k matter was a result of a deceased plaintiff. Otherwise, the matter met our constraints. Next, I called on the $900k one, thinking it would be some high-level employee as the plaintiff. Nope. It was a frontline worker. In this case the client was concerned about setting an unfavorable precedent with a court loss, so a $900k fee was fine by them.

Given what I now know, I look back at my efforts and feel stupid (not a technical term). What I was trying to do was set a price by analyzing scope after-the-fact. But what I had truly discovered – and failed to recognize at the time – was that there was ‘no scope.’

I’m embarrassed to admit that I continued to analyze matters in this way for several more years. It was roughly 6 years ago that I stopped doing that, telling partners it was a waste of time. But even then, I failed to realize the real, core problem:

Without scope and a work plan, there is nothing to measure against. There is no way of defining value for the client. It is impossible to manage to a budget unless the budget is based on scope and a detailed work plan because, without those things, there is no foundation. Without a foundation, we are measuring against nothing but thin air.

That, in a nutshell, embodies my epiphanies. No definition of scope and no work plan equals useless budgets, leaving no way to manage to a budget or to identify scope changes.

Adding fuel to the fire is the fact that 99% of client outside counsel guidelines (and I’ve read hundreds of them, by the way) require budgets, but they do not require collaborative scope setting, statements of work (SOWs), work plans, or a process for addressing scope changes.

So, what needs to change?

Lawyers need to substantially enhance their LPM skills in scoping, planning, managing to a budget, and identifying and communicating scope changes.

Consider something as simple as a scope change. The work that needs to be done on matters frequently changes, yet lawyers rarely discuss these changes with clients in real-time. I suggest that if you’re a corporate client and your outside counsel doesn’t proactively come to you with scope changes on a regular basis, you have a problem. These lawyers are not engaging in LPM, and that’s costing you money. Regardless of how good these lawyers are, you will continue to have uncomfortable, after-the-fact discussions about write-offs because your outside counsel lacks sufficient LPM skills.

Okay, I may sound harsh, and please don’t get me wrong: Lawyers have some LPM skills, and they do, in fact, use them. The problem is that their LPM skills are extremely limited because most lawyers have never been effectively trained in LPM…ever. So, what do these lawyers do?  Typically, they develop matter plans, which include components of scope. I’m not sure we can say they manage to these matter plans. It’s more of a changing landscape where they are always adapting their matter plans as the situation evolves, and then they subsequently communicate these changes to the client after the fees have significantly increased, much to their client’s dismay.

At this point in the story, I fully expect that any lawyers who might be reading this article will suggest that this LPM skillset should reside with the pricing and LPM teams, since LPM is not a “lawyer skill” in their minds.

And now it’s analogy time. Project Managers (PMs) in the broader sense are not expected to be SMEs in all or any of their projects. In fact, they can’t and shouldn’t be. Instead, they rely on SMEs’ knowledge for developing scope. A PM in residential construction, for example, is not an SME in electrical, plumbing, or finish carpentry. PMs work with SMEs to develop a functional scope.

In the legal world that same approach works … provided lawyers have baseline LPM skills to define scope and are willing to leverage their unique subject matter expertise.

But you should also consider that not all engagements rise to the level of needing a dedicated LPM person but are better suited to practicing lawyers who have sufficient LPM skills which, as an additional bonus, also makes LPM scalable.[2]

Or you might think of it another way: Whenever a partner writes down significant fees, there’s a major failure somewhere along the line, whether it’s improperly scoping the matter, failing to develop a well-thought-out work plan, or failing to notify the client of scope changes. When a lawyer writes down a large fee, it reflects that lawyer’s LPM knowledge gap. Essentially, write-offs are the penalty (the “damages,” if you will) that law firms pay because their lawyers have insufficient LPM skills. 

A bonus epiphany

LPM is a collaborative process. To successfully deliver value, in-house lawyers and law firm lawyers must enhance their LPM skills and collaborate together. A collaborative LPM process might look something like this:

A law firm partner leverages her LPM skills and firm resources to develop a proposed SOW for the matter. The partner then schedules a meeting with the client lawyers and operations people to review the proposed SOW. The client team shares input and suggestions. The partner accepts the changes, as appropriate, and then returns an updated SOW, including any adjustments to the budget. Finally, the two parties sign off on the budget and SOW.

Now the partner finalizes a work plan with her team to execute on the SOW. This plan is also shared with the client lawyers, so they know what to expect and when. Work then begins with the outside counsel performing tasks. Best practice dictates that the two sides are meeting and communicating regularly, so the client is aware of the status and efforts being made and how they are aligned with the plan and timeline.

Invariably, scope changes occur. But with this new collaborative process, these changes are obvious when they occur because scope is widely known and understood by all parties who are communicating regularly. Most importantly, client lawyers make decisions about whether they agree to scope changes (and how much they’ll pay) before additional work is performed and fees incurred.[3]

This pragmatic, collaborative approach is much better for the project and the relationship. Instead of tension and friction, firm lawyers and client lawyers engage in upfront communication using a proactive approach before a significant deviation in price occurs.

The result

When lawyers enhance their LPM skills, everyone wins.

Clients know what they are getting and how much it will cost – exactly what they have been requesting for years.

Law firms create improved client relationships and better realization.[4]  Firms move the discussion away from “reducing costs” and “increasing discounts” to client value, where the discussion truly belongs.

Both in-house lawyers and law firm lawyers need to enhance their LPM skills. Admittedly, law firm lawyers need more LPM expertise than in-house lawyers. However, in-house lawyers need sufficient LPM skills to effectively manage outside counsel.

Lawyers with superior LPM skills are better lawyers. They are more effective at defining and meeting their clients’ needs. They communicate more effectively about matter progression and desired outcomes. And they create better financial outcomes for their firms. For lawyers to represent their clients’ best interests – and deliver real value – LPM skills are now a necessity, not a luxury.

 

 

[1] It’s relatively easy and not overly burdensome to define scope at the beginning of each matter.

[2] Scalability is significant because it means the LPM team is better able to implement LPM throughout the firm, and the pressure on the team to provide support to all firm lawyers is greatly reduced. Also, the LPM team does not have subject matter expertise, so the SME lawyers will be responsible for establishing scope and creating detailed work plans, as they should be. As lawyers become more proficient in LPM, the LPM team will play an even more prominent role in the firm as lawyers gain a better understanding of LPM’s importance to the bottom line.

[3] Without LPM, scope changes frequently occur, but no one raises the issue because there is no well-defined scope at the beginning of the matter. Then, 3 months later, the client receives a higher-than-expected bill, they are dissatisfied, and the law firm writes off fees, all of which can be easily avoided.

[4] In one case study, Baker McKenzie found a 6% increase in realization when utilizing LPM in engagements.

We talk with Michael Bommarito, CEO of 273 Ventures and well-known innovator and thinker in legal technology and education. Bommarito and his colleague, Daniel Katz were behind GPT-3 and GPT-4 taking the Bar Exam. While he and Katz understand the hype in the media reaction, he states that most of the legal and technology experts who were following the advancements in generative AI, expected the results and had already moved on to the next phase in the use of AI in legal.

Michael Bommarito on his farm in Michigan, alongside his trusty friend Foggy.

While we talked to Michael a couple of days before the news broke about a lawyer in New York who submitted a brief to the court relying upon ChatGPT to write the brief and not understanding that AI tools can completely make up cases, fact pattern, and citations, he does talk about the fact that we are falling behind in educating law students and other in understanding how to use Large Language Models (LLMs) properly. In fact, if we don’t start teaching 1Ls and 2Ls in law school immediately, law schools will be doing a disservice for their students for many years to come.

Currently, Bommarito is following up his work at LexPredict, which was sold to Elevate Services in 2018, with 273 Ventures and Kelvin.Legal. With these companies, he aims to bring more efficiency and reduce marginal costs in the legal industry through the application of AI. He sees the industry as one that primarily deals with information and knowledge, yet continues to struggle with high costs and inefficiency. With 273 Ventures and Kelvin.Legal, he is building solutions to help firms bring order to the chaos that is their legal data.

AI and data offer promising solutions for the legal industry but foundational issues around education and adaptation must be addressed. Bommarito explains that decades of inefficiency and mismatched data need to be adjusted before the true value of the AI tools can be achieved. He also believes that while there might have been many false starts on adjustments to the billable hour through things like Alternative Fee Arrangements (AFAs) in the past, the next 12-36 months are going to be pivotal in shifting the business model of the legal industry.

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In our latest podcast episode, we delve into the transformative potential of executive coaching for legal professionals with our esteemed guest, Laura Terrell. As the founder of Laura Terrell, LLC, she brings to the table an illustrious career background encompassing roles such as Special Assistant to President George W. Bush, senior level appointee at the US Department of Justice, Equity partner at top international law firms, and in-house counsel at a leading global business advisory firm.

Laura Terrell, renowned executive coach and former high-profile lawyer, unpacks her intriguing transition into coaching and the underlying drive to comprehend the motivations and challenges unique to professionals. She underscores the significance of active listening in addressing not only the legal quandaries of clients but their wider professional and personal concerns.

Dive into the intricacies of executive coaching for lawyers as Terrell defines it: a cooperative endeavor aimed at assisting clients in setting and achieving their objectives. It’s not therapy, she clarifies, but a method to empower clients’ goal attainment and facilitate exploration of their priorities.

Terrell sheds light on the myriad of challenges confronting lawyers and C-suite executives, from transitioning to leadership positions, fostering business growth, team management, to adapting to in-house roles. She also emphasizes the value of coaching for budding lawyers, guiding them in their transition from theory to practice and making sense of their role expectations.

Laura Terrell addresses a widespread pitfall in the legal sector: assumption-making. She motivates lawyers to question their preconceived notions and adopt a mindset of change, considering the dynamic landscape of the legal industry.

Beyond her coaching practice, Laura serves as the General Counsel for a nonprofit organization and invests in businesses owned by women, echoing her commitment to supporting female entrepreneurs and expanding her knowledge across diverse business sectors.

This episode uncovers the profound impact of executive coaching in the legal sphere, providing support to professionals at varying career stages. Whether you’re a seasoned attorney, a C-suite executive, or a new entrant to the legal field, Laura Terrell’s expertise and experiences offer invaluable learning opportunities.

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Many of us have wondered when the big two legal information providers would jump into the Generative AI game, and it looks like LexisNexis is going public first with the launch of Lexis+ AI. We sat down with Jeff Pfeifer, Chief Product Officer for UK, Ireland, Canada, and US, and discuss the launch and what it means for LexisNexis going forward.

Pfeifer discusses how LexisNexis+ AI offers conversational search, summarization, and drafting tools to help lawyers work more efficiently. The tools provide contextual, iterative search so users can refine and improve results. The drafting tools can help with tasks like writing client emails or advisory statements. The summarization features can summarize datasets like regulations, opinions, and complaints.

LexisNexis is working with leading AmLaw 50 firms in a commercial preview program to get feedback and input on the AI tools. LexisNexis also launched an AI Insider Program for any interested firms to learn about AI and how it may impact their business. There is definitely demand for the AI Insider Program with over 3,000 law firms already signed up.

Pfeifer emphasizes LexisNexis’ focus on responsible AI. They developed and follow a set of AI principles to guide their product development, including understanding the real-world impact, preventing bias, explaining how solutions work, ensuring human oversight and accountability, and protecting privacy.

Pfeifer predicts AI tools like LexisNexis Plus AI will increase access to legal services by allowing lawyers and firms to work more efficiently and take on more work. He also sees opportunities to use the tools to help pro se litigants and courts. However, he cautions that the responsible and ethical development and use of AI is crucial.

Overall, Pfeifer believes AI will greatly improve efficiency and capacity in the legal profession over the next 2-5 years but that responsible adoption of the technology is key.

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Continue Reading LexisNexis Bets Big on AI Transforming the Legal Industry: Jeff Pfeifer on the Launch of Lexis+ AI (TGIR Ep. 203)

In this riveting episode of our podcast, we delve into the fascinating world of AI in the legal industry with our esteemed guests, Nathan Walter and Bridget Albiero. Walter, a former attorney and founder of BriefPoint.ai, has leveraged his legal expertise and passion for technology to automate the manual processes that often bog down law firms. Bridget Albiero, a User Experience (UX) and User Design (UD) expert, underscores the significance of intuitive design in making these AI tools not just effective, but user-friendly.

Nathan Walter has been instrumental in creating BriefPoint.ai, a tool designed specifically for lawyers to eliminate the mundane and time-consuming aspects of law practice. With the goals of automating the litigation process from response to appeal, Walter and Albeiro are focused on removing the mundane tasks, such as typing, from the process and allowing the attorneys to focus more on their legal experience and expertise over the grunt work that takes up too much of their time already.

However, the success of such tools is not solely dependent on their technical capabilities. Bridget Albiero’s role in UX and UD ensures that these AI systems are designed with the end user in mind. With the mission to make legal professionals’ lives much easier. Bridget’s work is critical in crafting an interface that enables lawyers to accomplish more work in less time, truly maximizing the benefits of AI integration.

Nathan and Bridget’s collaboration epitomizes the intersection of law and technology. They argue that the advent of AI tools, such as BriefPoint.ai, will invariably put pressure on law firms to rethink their traditional billing models. Nathan anticipates a shift towards contingency fee-based and flat fee billings, spurred on by the increased efficiency AI brings to the table. In addition, the ability for the plaintiff’s lawyers to reduce the overall amount of work that they need to put into each case, there will be more incentives to take on work that they might otherwise not consider. This has a multitude of effects ranging from flooding courts with more and more cases, to overwhelming defense firms and corporations with a much higher litigation matters, to making working at plaintiff’s firms more attractive to associates who don’t want to work the number of hours they would need to do in BigLaw firms.

Bridget also emphasizes the importance of approaching AI with a balanced perspective. While there are a number of positives when it comes to AI in the legal process, there are also downsides that need to be considered as well. Bridget and Nathan run through some of those issues as well. This thoughtful conversation with Nathan and Bridget offers a unique insight into the future of the legal industry, where AI and human ingenuity work hand in hand. Listen in to learn more about how these changes might soon be reshaping the legal landscape.

 

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Continue Reading Lawyer vs. AI or Lawyers + AI: Embracing the Future of Legal Practice with BriefPoint.ai’s Nathan Walter and Bridget Albiero (TGIR Ep. 202)

In this episode of The Geek in Review Podcast, hosts Greg Lambert and Marlene Gebauer interview Richard Tromans, founder of Tromans Consulting and artificiallawyer.com. Tromans shares his insights on the future of legal innovation and the upcoming Legal Innovators California conference, scheduled to take place on June 7-8 in San Francisco.

Tromans begins the conversation by highlighting the role of artificial intelligence (AI) in the legal industry. He emphasizes the importance of not only adopting AI but also using it to its full potential to deliver better legal services. He also discusses the potential impact of AI on law firm business models.

Moving on to the topic of alternative legal service providers (ALSPs), Tromans examines their role in the legal industry and how it has evolved over time. He believes that the future of ALSPs depends on their ability to embrace technology and shift their focus from being mere “bodyshops” to incorporating more sophisticated technology and consulting services.

The discussion then moves on to the Legal Innovators California conference. Tromans shares his views on what attendees can expect, including insights into the latest legal innovation trends, opportunities for cross-fertilization between private practice and in-house legal teams, and exposure to a variety of ALSPs.

Tromans also shares information on his own platform, artificiallawyer.com, which provides news, features, and educational videos related to legal innovation, and the upcoming conference. He invites listeners to check out the conference website, legalinnovatorscalifornia.com, for more information.

Tromans emphasized the need for the legal industry to shift its focus from traditional metrics like profits and risk reduction to a more holistic approach that considers broader outcomes. He believes that this shift will take time, but he is hopeful that the Legal Innovators California conference and similar events will pave the way for the industry to move forward in this direction.

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Continue Reading Richard Tromans on the Future of Legal Innovation and The Legal Innovators California Conference (TGIR Ep. 201)