Listservs vs. Twitter

I’ve subscribed to a number of e-mail listservs over the years, and have found that these are becoming less and less useful. Although I’ve hung on and still subscribe to a few choices, I find that I use them more for generic topical information, than I do for specific topic resources. What has changed?? I thought of a few things that are wrong with Listservs and how Twitter might be a better option:

1. Lazy Research:
Some of the law library listservs that I have subscribed to in the past have become what some call “lazy researcher” listservs. Those are the places where you ask for an Interlibrary loan to a list of 2500 people for an item that you probably could have requested from your local library.   Don’t get me wrong, these listservs are great resources for finding these types of things, but it seems that this type of activity breeds more of this type of activity.  Pretty soon, people forget that the listserv was set up to be an online community for idea sharing, question asking, and resource gathering.  The last item can tend to overwhelm the first two (which I find most important.)

2. Too Many People:
For anyone that has posted on a listserv on a Friday afternoon, or God forbid, during the week between Christmas and New Years, you will get a ton of “out of office” replies.  Now, this type of thing is easily ignorable, but sometimes you get the reply a few days after you sent the message — not sure how that happens, but it does.  Having too many people can also contribute to the “Interstate Effect.”  That’s the effect that makes the participant of a listserv thing that “someone else will surely come along and answer that question.”  Too many people can also contribute to a watering down of the list.  You want to ask a specific question for a few select people on the list, but you’re afraid that the other 99.8% will blast you for it.
3.  Too Diverse
I know… diversity can spring forth new creations and find patterns that can link separate ideas together, but sometimes, you can just have too many and you end up spoiling the list.  So, it is kind of like the fact that I like ketchup, and I like chocolate cake — but, I don’t necessarily like them mixed together.  Listservs aren’t set up to separate the different ingredients; you just get them all and you hope that it ends up not tasting too bad.
4.  Bad Apples Spoil the Listserv
Sticking with the food theme…  When I taught at a law school, I used to tell my students at the beginning of the semester this:
“There will always be one in every class.  If you do not know who that one is, it is probably you!”
The same goes for listservs.  There is always one (sometimes more) that feels that a listserv is a place where you can spout off with whatever it is that has ticked you off that day.  Or, talk about the latest political, or religious item that was posted on the Drudge Report, NPR, or CNN.  Then, the flame wars begin.  I have removed myself from lists specifically because the flame wars became too impossible to skip over, and frankly were clogging up my in-box.
5.  Email Is Sooo Last Century
Speaking of clogging up the email in-box…  I think we have come to a place in the Age of the Internet that we have to ask if listservs are dinosaurs?  Frankly, it is highly inefficient to have the same message going to hundreds or even thousands of in-boxes.  It is just not a good use of your e-mail — especially work e-mail.  For example, I subscribe to a few ILTA email lists, and since April, I have received nearly 4,000 e-mails from these lists alone.  Plus, I’m one of those people that the IT department will contact every so often to empty my email because I’ve reached my limit.  Although this last point is my laziness, you can immediately see that e-mail listservs may be one of the most inefficient ways of mass communications that we have at our disposal today.
Can Twitter Replace the Listserv?
Short answer – probably not.  Mostly because listservs are easy, convenient, and occasionally pretty useful, despite examples 1-5 above.  Listservs also stay (mostly) on topic.  With Twitter, the same person that posts a link to a great blog entry, will also send 15 tweets about the football game he is watching.
The biggest plus with Twitter right now is that you can start fresh and remember why it was that you wanted to connect with others in the first place.  You wanted to bounce those ideas off of others to see what they think about it.  You wanted to spur the conversation and find out if others out there have better ways of doing things.  You wanted to find a select group of people that you could eventually call your “peers” and create a lasting relationship with them so when you moved your way up the ladder of your profession, they would be moving right along with you.  Twitter can help you recapture that original concept by letting you start all over and selecting those that you think will truly be your peers.
Twitter also allows you to select peers that are outside your profession, without having to take everyone else with them.  In other words, you truly get to pick and choose your peers.  I have people I am following on Twitter that have nothing to do with law librarianship, but are some of the strongest “idea generators” out there.  Being in touch with these folks allows me to see things from a different perspective, but at the same time, not lose touch with what I’m doing in my day to day profession.  
Now, the bad news is that not everyone that is on your listservs are on Twitter.  The good news is that not everyone that is on your listservs are on Twitter!!  So now you get to select those that are, incourage those you would like to join, and ignore those you don’t want to follow.  
My suggestion is to use a tool like TweetDeck to help you organize your groups.  Here’s how:
1.  Follow your friends
2.  If your friends list gets too big, start splitting the group into subgroups and follow them that way.
3.  Use TweetDeck’s search feature to follow certain keywords that are of interest to you.
4.  Contribute, contribute, contribute.  See something that you like, mention it.  See a website you like, post it using tinyurl.com.  Read a tweet that you think others will like, then Retweet it.
5.  Remember, unlike e-mail, you’re limited to 140 characters, so is everyone else.  
If you haven’t begun to Twitter, or you need to better understand how to Twitter properly, then look at this blog by Darren Rowse about Twitter Tips for Beginners.  

After posting yesterday on LinkedIn Does KM, I went back to further investigate the Company Groups tool to see what else I could learn about it. But it was gone! I came up with five possibilities.

1) Someone had flagged me as not employed by The Firm. Possible, but not likely since relatively few people had formally joined the group. I contacted my co-bloggers and the link had disappeared from their pages as well.

2) Another company had reacted to the tool and “suggested” it be removed. Again … possible, but so few people knew about it, not likely.

3) A developer uploaded code to the production server instead of the development or testing servers. Possible, but again not likely since companies like LinkedIn typically have very well-defined protocols for software process management. And they wouldn’t leave it up for five days.

4) The Company Groups tool was supposed to be loaded only on the “for fee” side of things. Maybe. If anyone who is paying for premium service can see this function, please let us know.

5) The Marketing and Programming departments don’t communicate well. This would mean the programmers followed their software development protocols, but didn’t keep marketing in the loop. Again … possible but doesn’t make sense.

In the end, I am left quite curious. The only information I have is what I found when I went into my History and found the Group page:

You are not authorized to view this page LinkedIn takes privacy and security seriously. We want to provide spaces for groups of professionals to discuss news, ask questions, and share information. To find out more, you may contact LinkedIn customer service.

Thanks for your understanding.

I also sent an e-mail to one of the few addresses I found on LinkedIn’s site asking about this. No word back yet.

Halloween was yesterday, but we’re still left with a mystery.

We’ve been keeping our eye on LinkedIn with the basic assessment that it
has great potential, but needs more tools. A network of valuable
contacts becomes truly valuable when you can actually do things with it.

Recently LinkedIn took another step in adding just these types of tools.
When I logged in I noticed some new items on the left-hand nav menu.
Near the top is “Company Groups” followed by the name of my firm.
Following the firm name link, I am greeted with a higher functioning
LinkedIn Group that is already populated with firm contacts. Tabs
across the top include: Overview, Q&A, News, Updates, Members and Settings. The
Q&A tool allows Fulbright contacts to ask and answer questions within
the group. This is a basic KM sharing tool, allowing information
requests to be posted and shared.

So LinkedIn has deployed a KM tool to our firm. Makes you go …
Hmmmmmm. My first reaction is positive at having a great tool available, but then reason takes over. From the LinkedIn User Agreement:

You do not have to submit anything to us, but if you choose to
submit something (including any user generated content, ideas, concepts,
techniques and data), you must grant, and you actually grant by
concluding the Agreement, a non-exclusive, irrevocable, worldwide,
perpetual, unlimited, assignable, sublicenseable, fully paid up and
royalty-free right to us to copy, prepare derivative works of, improve,
distribute, publish, remove, retain, add, and use and commercialize, in
any way now known or in the future discovered, anything that you submit
to us, without any further consent, notice and/or compensation to you or
any third parties.

Fitting for a Halloween theme. I know I’m scared after reading that.

So now I have a powerful KM tool sitting under the nose of 407 firm
employees. And if they use it, we risk giving a license to firm IP away
to LinkedIn. Now I’m conflicted.

Another possible red flag – when you select the “Members” tab you are greeted
with the following:

Security Reminder: Only current employees of (the Firm) should
appear below. If you see a person that does not belong to this company
group, click “Flag this person as…” to anonymously remove them from
the group.

Again, I start off with a positive thought. We can remove anyone
falsely claiming to be part of the firm, especially if they appear as an
attorney. But then reality comes back. This means the false contacts
can flag me for removal. Crap.

Which leads us to the bottom line. Even though these are great tools,
they are in full control of LinkedIn and not our firm. For lawyers,
with a duty to protect client information, this arrangement is
problematic.

I have to do some more thinking about all of this since I hate to pass
on good (and free) technology. Maybe there are ways to resolve the issues I raised.
In any event, LinkedIn is charging ahead and taking steps to expand its
value to its true potential. We’ll keep watching with anticipation, but
also with a dose of common sense.

P.S. LinkedIn added an “Applications” option too. More on that later.

There has been a lot of traction from @jdtwitt’s posting of 145 Lawyers (and Legal Professionals) to Follow on Twitter — which there is now almost 400. So, I thought I’d build a similar list of Marketing Professionals and Consultants in the legal industry.
There have been a lot of us praising the attributes of Twitter as a marketing tool, but I couldn’t find a good list of Marketing Professionals out there who are actually using Twitter. So, stealing jdtwitt’s idea, here is a list of those I’ve found (by surfing around Twitter.) And, if you know of more, or want to be added to the list, please contact me at @glambert on (where else…) Twitter!!
The initial list is in alphabetical order. I’ll add new folks to the end of the list (that way they can always say they are #__. So, without further ado… here we go:
  1. @azita99 – azita houshiar, New York City I like art + technology. Have a thing 4 robots + work @ http://www.tacitknowledge.com/ web
  2. @bentleytolk – Bentley Tolk, Salt Lake City, Utah As a practicing lawyer, I also provide marketing advice, client development advice, advice on billable hours, and consulting to lawyers and future lawyers. web
  3. @bobambrogi – Bob Ambrogi, Rockport, Mass. Lawyer, writer, consultant. web
  4. @carlgrant – carlgrant, Virginia Senior Vice President, Business Development, Cooley Godward Kronish web
  5. @carolynelefant – carolynelefant, DC area Practicing lawyer, marine renewables expert, avid blogger, Solo by Choice author, CEO (MyShingle.com), mom web
  6. @cfast – Colin Fast, Winnipeg College marketing guy from Canada web
  7. @citinoal – Allison Citino, Dolanco Junction, California pr and marketing guru. In my sparetime, I eat cheezits and watch law and order (GO STATE) web
  8. @colinokeefe – Colin O’Keefe, Missoula, MT University of Montana journalism student and Montana Grizzlies sports blogger. LexBlog utility infielder. Interested in marketing. web
  9. @david_bilinsky – david_bilinsky, Vancouver BC Canada Law Practice Management Consultant web
  10. @dbruns – dbruns, San Francisco Director of Marketing, Legal Marketing, Dad, Owner of Chickens web
  11. @dkennedyblog – dkennedyblog, St. Louis, MO The Microblog Version of DennisKennnedy.Blog web
  12. @DougJasinski – DougJasinski, Vancouver, Canada Canadian legal marketing guy web
  13. @ewinters – ewinters, Dubai Marketing Manager for largest independent legal firm in the Middle East. web
  14. @gerkmana – Alli Gerkman, Denver, CO CLE professional, attorney, blogger, social media enthusiast, event manager… and you can also find me twittering @ecorazzi web
  15. @GinaRubel – GinaRubel, Doylestown, Pa. PR (public relations) strategic planning adict, mother, recovering attorney, author, publicist, blogger & wannabe photographer / yogi web
  16. @godthedj – James Austin, UK – Birmingham Online Marketing Exec working for Birmingham based Law Firm web
  17. @heathermillian – heather milligan, Los Angeles, CA Director of Marketing, Barger & Wolen legal marketer, mom, wife, girl scout leader, tired. web
  18. @ijh – I.J. Hudson, Wash, DC area Former NBC4 broadcaster. Love to follow new technology- gadgets and social use of the Internet. Currently doing communications/marketing work for a law firm. web
  19. @jaynenavarre – jaynenavarre, Florida Digital marketing geek for lawyers. That’s why I live in the sunshine. web
  20. @jasonmilch – Jason Milch, Chicago, IL I provide public relations and marketing services to law firms and their attorneys. If you are a reporter and need a legal source, chances are I’m your guy. web
  21. @JDTwitt – Adrian L, Mill Valley, CA Communications Director, JD Supra. Poet. All-around word guy. Blogging at http://scoop.jdsupra.com/ Bookmarking at http://www.socialmedian.com/adrian_l web
  22. @jeffbob – Jeff Yerkey, San Francisco, CA Law firm marketer; graphic designer, web 2 geek web
  23. @JeffTBerman – Jeff Berman, Chicago, IL Disengaged Worker turned Passionate Entrepreneur. Marketer for Lawyers. SEM and SEO Enthusiast. AttorneySync is like eHarmony for legal services. web
  24. @jonathanfields – Jonathan Fields, NYC Father, husband, career renegade, lifestyle-entrepreneur, marketing/copywriting maven, blogger, social-media explorer, recovering lawyer and…yoga dude web
  25. @jordan_law21 – Jordan Furlong, Ottawa, ON Lawyer, editor, blogger, collaborator, innovator, and occasional Jeremiah for the legal profession. web
  26. @joshfruchter – joshfruchter, New York Joshua Fruchter is the founder of eLawMarketing and publisher of LawyerCasting web
  27. @KBWhit – KBWhit, Greensboro, NC Wife to Gabe, Mom to Hannah, Legal Marketer web
  28. @kevinaschenbren – Kevin Aschenbrenner, Langford, British Columbia Media/PR consultant for law firms in North America and the EU. If you’re a reporter looking for an attorney source, Tweet me. Attorney looking for PR? Same. web
  29. @kevinokeefe – Kevin OKeefe, Seattle – web
  30. @lawfirmseo – Laurie Williams, Washington, DC Legal Internet Marketing Consultant web
  31. @legalmarketing – legalmarketing, West Chester, PA Entrepreneur, female small business owner, legal marketing coach and consultant to personal injury lawyers web
  32. @legalresources – legalresources, Florida Virtual Assistant, Social Media Marketing Coach, Writer, Author web
  33. @lieslglogan – lieslglogan, Fort Worth, TX Legal marketer, wife, mom, Christian, Democrat, Texan, lover of all things haunted web
  34. @LindsayGriffith – LindsayGriffith, Barnegat, NJ Marketer & Events Planner Extraodinaire International Lawyers Network web
  35. @lizbardindley – lizbardlindley, NY Metro area I do PR and writing for Law Firms web
  36. @marsha – Marsha Keeffer, Silicon Valley Social Media PR Expert web
  37. @matthomann – Matt Homann, St. Louis, MO Big Thinker. Innovational Speaker. Creative Facilitator. Dad. web
  38. @mbeese – Mark Beese, Evergreen Colorado web
  39. @melitaz – melitaz, San Francisco, CA New media explorer Traditional PR expat. web
  40. @michaelzucker – michaelzucker, Los Angeles business writer, lawyer, marketing & communications consultant web
  41. @minasirkin – minasirkin, Los Angeles, CA and Woodland H Trusts / Estates Lawyer, Legal Expert, Mom, Blogger, techno serial entrepreneur. http://www.MomsRules.com web
  42. @nancymyrland – Nancy Myrland Professional Marketing Advisor web
  43. @newsucnuse – newsucnuse, Long Island, NY (work in NYC) Marketing director, mother of twins, writer, former reporter web
  44. @nikiblack – Nicole Black, Rochester, NY I am a lawyer, legal writer & avid blogger http://nicoleblackesq.com I’m also a newly indoctrinated social media geek & wine and food fanatic. web
  45. @paul177 – paul177, Philadelphia, PA Associate Vice President, Gregory FCA, PR rep for law firms, public companies, and financial institutions web
  46. @paulmckeon – Paul McKeon, Sydney, Australia Former IBM and Dell flack, now with law firm Deacons (http://twitter.com/Deacons). web
  47. @Remarkikkin – Nicole Kramer Living Law Firm Marketing web
  48. @Riskin – Gerry Riskin, Anguilla, B.W.I. Lawyer/Consultant, http://www.gerryriskin.com/cat-about-gerry.html web
  49. @rocketmatter – rocketmatter, Florida The web generation of legal practice management web
  50. @SeanMcGinnis – SeanMcGinnis, Eagan, MN Manager, Search Marketing at FindLaw web
  51. @shodes – shodes, Maryland Marketing Director for the Baltimore law firm of Adelberg, Rudow, Dorf & Hendler, LLC web
  52. @stephenfairley – Stephen Fairley, Phoenix, AZ Law Firm Marketing Expert, Legal Marketing, Lawyer Marketing web
  53. @StephenLudwig – StephenLudwig, Denver Metro Dir of Public Affairs, Metzger web
  54. @StephKimbro – StephKimbro, Wilmington, North Carolina Attorney and Owner of Kimbro Legal Services, a Virtual Law Practice in N.C. Owner of VLOTech, a tech company providing SaaS virtual law office software web
  55. @SteveWorrall – Steve Worrall, Marietta, Georgia USA Marietta and Atlanta estate planning, divorce and family law attorney and Personal Family Lawyer. Enjoys the law and learning about marketing the practice. web
  56. @st0rmshadow – Garth O’Brien, Seattle, Washington Search Engine Optimization, SEO, SEM, Social Media, Internet Marketing, Gamer, Scuba Diver, Ski, Networking, Attorney, Comics, XboxLive = Stormshad0w web
  57. @thblaw – Tamera Bennett, Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex Copyright Law, Trademark Law, Entertainment Law, Music Publishing Attorney, Branding, Blogger, Speaker, Cub Scout Den Mom web
  58. @TMighell – Tom Mighell, Dallas, Texas web
  59. @tsfranklin – Travis Franklin, Boise, Idaho An aspiring author and proud dad. Oh and a marketing director for a law firm for my day job. web
  60. @vivianhood – vivianhood, Jacksonville, FL I do law firm PR and media relations for national law firms. Need a legal source? web
  61. @JERaasch – JERaasch, Denver, Colorado Writer and ghostwriter for lawyers, law firms and consultants. web
  62. @donnafryer – donnafryer, In front of computer! Teach others how to find info, people, job candidates & create and deliver enticing webinars for the executive recruiting, law marketing, & CLE industr web
  63. @melby_az – Melanie Green Legal marketing & business development, information soaker, student of twitter! web
  64. @3rddeadline – Russell Thomas, ..deboarding a plane in D.C… I hear he handles PR and business development for a law firm Somewhere, there’s a 5pm news deadline to beat. web
  65. @ChristinePilch – Christine Pilch, Massachusetts Marketer specializing in positioning and branding. Social media networking junkie enjoying new connections and reconnects with old friends. web
  66. @allisonshields – allisonshields, Long Island, New York practice management and business development consultant for lawyers web
  67. @pstessel
    Philippe Stessel, Manager, Marketing Technology at Weil, Gotshal & Manges LLP.

    pstessel, NYC Manager of Marketing & Business Development IS web

  68. @lawfirmblogger – Amy Derby, Chicago Law Firm Blogger : helping busy lawyers write better blogs web
  69. @monicaesmith – Monica Smith, Winter Park, Florida publicist focusing on local and national PR for law firms web
  70. @briancarter – Brian Carter, Myrtle Beach/San Diego Optimizer. “The funniest married white male keynote speaker on Twitter who also likes Yanni”. Director PPC, SEO, Social Media. Speaking next at PubCon 08. web
  71. @Law1389 – Law1389, Seattle WA web
  72. @TimV57 – Tim V, Chicago, IL – Marketing Technology Manager web
  73. @Adrianos – adrianosfacchetti, City of Angels attorney/blogger/defamation enthusiast/mnemonist/ web
  74. @michaelzukewich – michaelzukewich, Washington, DC Legal Marketing Coordinator web
  75. @ericpursh – ericpursh, Pittsburgh web
  76. @Laurie2 – Laurie Bloom, New York Marketing Director in a major law firm. web
  77. @leecomms – leecomms, Near NYC I handle comms and media for a variety of legal pubs, inc. American Lawyer web
  78. @RainmakingLady – Margaret Grisdela, President and Author Legal Expert Connections, Inc. web
  79. @LisaHenry1 – LisaHenry1, Jackson, Mississippi Legal Marketer Criminal Defense(Most want to know what exactly I do, so I describe what I am doing as it happens) web
  80. @Msdahmenor – Gayle Panter North Metro Atlanta, Georgia Bio Marketing/Paralegal-does that make me a Legal Marketer??? web
  81. @george_murphy – george_murphy, Baltimore, MD SEO/SEM manager for attorneys at Foster Web Marketing, Journalist for Yanks-Abroad.com, soccer coach and player, Man U fanatic, dog owner, etc… web
  82. @KarenMenard – KarenMenard, New England Marketing professional, legal marketing, high tech, social media, future blogger, walker, geneologist web
  83. @arethagaskin – arethagaskin, US Dynamic virtual professional and owner of The Virtual Legal Assistant! web
  84. @Fresh00 – Parviz, Los Angeles, CA Love: fun, global integration and Bollywood movies, Human Rights, MMA, Web 2.0 stuff, Business, Travel, and Law. web
  85. @cml868 – Chris Leporini, Chicago I am a Web Editor for the American Bar Association with a journalism background and an interest in social media. web
  86. @AlexisNeely – Alexis Martin Neely, California Mom, Better TV Family Finance and Legal Expert, Revolutionizing the Legal World web
  87. @tmarman – Tim Marman, 84 Bay Ridge Ave, Brooklyn, NY Entrepreneur, Developer, J.D., Blogger. Founder of Notches. web
  88. @corporatetool – Josh King, Seattle VP, Biz Dev & General Counsel at Avvo. Bike commuter, as long as it’s not raining too hard. web
  89. @Undercover_Lawr – Undercover_Lawr, The Beautiful Northwest, USA Bringing legal strategies of big business and mega firms to individual people, so they can take back control of their work life. Also dig cigars, Sbucks, &a web
  90. @Lola0901 – LauraA, Columbus, Ohio – Marketer, mommy and recovering lurker. web
  91. @corporette – corporette, New York, NY Corporette is a fashion and lifestyle blog for women lawyers, bankers, MBAs, consultants… web
  92. @conradsaam – Conrad Saam, Seattle Online marketer * dad * homebrewer web
  93. @internetlawyer7 – erik syverson, Los Angeles Erik Syverson is a business and internet law attorney operating an internet law firm. web
  94. @badijones – Badi Jones, Charleston, SC, USA I am a web developer from Charleston, SC. I like search marketing and programming. Made myIPneighbors.com, dnScoop.com. More @ BadiJones.com web
  95. @jlns – JLNS, Washington, DC The longest-running online source of attorney sources and law firm news. web
  96. @chuckwilkins – chuckwilkins, Washington, DC – Media contact at Venable LLP, a large DC law firm. web
  97. @Cheryl528 – Cheryl528, Kansas City Marketing Administrator at a law firm web
  98. @wpollak – Bill Pollak, New York, NY – CEO-North America, Incisive Media web
  99. @scartierliebel – SCartierLiebel, Connecticut, USA – Coach/Consultant Teaching Lawyers How to Open Their Own Solo Practice. Creator of Solo Practice University http://solopracticeuniversity.com web
  100. @karasmamedia – Kara Smith, Harlem, New York, USA Principal & Founder Karasma Media the first Harlem based boutique specializing in social media public relations campaigns for the legal marketing industry. web
  101. @cycleattnynetwk – Tina McQuirns, Philadelphia, PA Director of Business Development for Niche Website web
  102. @wesowsley – wesowsley, Alabama, USA I am a Practice Management Consultant and IT Freelancer. Currently finishing my first Internet-based product web
  103. @kaplanmyrth – Andy Kaplan-Myrth, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Lawyer working in technology law and new media. web
  104. @Darrin_Mish – Darrin Mish, Tampa, Florida Attorney, Public Speaker & Trainer, Author, Entrepreneur, Husband & Father web
  105. @internetcases – Evan Brown, Chicago  Lawyer, blogger, philosopher, social media enthusiast, dad, husband, son web
  106. @elizabethsosnow – Elizabeth Sosnow, NYC/CT  Manage B2B PR firm with personal focus on professional services, pop culture fanatic, mom to 3 mad men web
  107. @bgray53 – bgray53 – BTW, I’m a marketing coordinator at a law firm in Kansas City, MO web
  108. @brotha64 – brotha64 – Thomson Reuters / FindLaw.com. I am working with lawyers/attorneys helping them dominate the internet with legal marketing web
  109. @lawyertweet – lawyertweet – Attorney/Web Designer :: Internet marketing solutions for lawyers and law firms. web
  110. @weilgotshal – weilgotshal, 20 offices worldwide web
  111. @fulbright – Fulbright & Jaworski, Austin, Beijing, Dallas, Denver, Dubai, Hong Kong, Houston, London, Los Angeles, Minneapolis, New York, Riyadh, St. Louis, San Antonio, Washington, D.C. The International Law Firm of Fulbright & Jaworski web
  112. @JW_Law – JW_Law Jackson Walker L.L.P. has over 100 years of experience in providing legal counsel to clients throughout Texas, the United States, and internationally. web
  113. @WCSRtwit – Womble Carlyle, Representing Your Business. Innovators @ Law! web
  114. @nyrichard – RichKlein, Hoboken, Manhattan and Bethel, PR and Crisis Communications Specialist web
  115. @cindyspeaker – Cindy Speaker, iPhone: 39.954293,-75.516243  marketing coach to personal injury attorneys web
  116. @kathryncobb – Kathryn Cobb, Chicago, IL Communications editor at a top 20 global law firm web
  117. @Bankruptcyatty1 – Norma Duenas, Southern California, Bankruptcy Attorneys in Southern California and assisting attorneys in writing content for marketing. web

I’ve been monitoring some of the Twitter posts that attorneys across the country are doing, and it got me to thinking about where the ethical line is (or should be) drawn.  Now, my good friend Toby Brown told me that a good rule of thumb for judging ethical rules when it comes to the “virtual world” is to think of the question this way:

  • “If it’s ethical with paper, then it’s ethical.”
Simple enough concept on the surface, but once you start getting into the weeds of what some are posting, it sure makes for some interesting “issue spotting.”
Take this Twitter post from an attorney in New Hampshire:

I’m wondering if this type of advertising is:
1.  Legal in New Hampshire? (higher standard)
2.  Ethical in New Hampshire? (lower standard)
3.  Does posting things like this on Twitter expose him to restrictions in other states (since Twitter is obviously not limited to reaching New Hampshire)?
Or, how about a more direct approach to using Twitter to advertise your legal services:
This one seems to be testing the boundaries a little more than Mr. Steven’s previous posting that tells you about his updating his Squidoo page.  The LawyerTweet posting isn’t simply redirecting you to an updated web page, it is actually encouraging you to get some free answers to your legal questions from a licensed attorney.  Going back to Toby’s comment earlier, if this is ethical in a newspaper or legal publication, it is probably ethical here as well.  
I’m still a little hung up on the fact that Twitter is micro-blogging, or in these cases, micro-advertising, in an instant world-wide market.  In print, you usually have a select audience, but with a resource like Twitter, your audience is not as well defined.  If someone from Oklahoma tweets the attorney licensed in California, based on his or her Squidoo or Twitter posting, could this open up the attorney to issues before the Oklahoma Bar??  
It is broad questions like these that make me miss my academic days where I could stand in front of a group of law students and ask questions like these without having to give an answer.  

Last week I was able to meet with Dan Ranta. Dan is the KM guy for ConocoPhillips. I had seen him give a presentation on KM in the energy industry and followed up with a personal contact. As a result I spent some time at his shop, picking his brain, seeing his stuff and learning a ton about KM.

The bottom line here is that KM in the energy industry (and many others) is light-years ahead of legal KM. Dan has been into KM for over a decade and driving ConocoPhillips KM for going on five years. Where legal KM is in its infancy at best, Dan’s KM project is well beyond mature.

Some thoughts about where Dan is and how legal KM can benefit from his experience.

1) KM is KM. An interesting observation is that oil companies can be viewed as professional services firms (engineers to be specific). Their KM needs are the same as legal’s. They have professionals who store tacit knowledge in their heads and need to share and catalog this knowledge.

2) The billable hour sucks (again). Dan’s team has cataloged $1.5 billion in savings this year (and it’s only October). Their KM team takes stories submitted and confirms the cost savings of specific knowledge sharing. If an engineer in Alaska discovers a method for cutting production costs by modifying a design, the sharing of this knowledge across the network replicates that savings across the organization. Law firms will struggle with this concept, as ‘savings’ means less time to complete legal work, which means lower billables and revenue. A key piece of Dan’s system is compensation rewards for those who save the company money. Law firms will actually benefit from more efficient work processes, but since the efficiencies benefit clients and are not rewarded via compensation, law firms will struggle to drive this type of knowledge sharing and change.

3) Culture always wins. Dan had a great slide showing the Pacman of culture devouring the Dot of strategy. A point well made. Pushing a great KM tool in a lawyer’s face won’t change the way the lawyer works. For Legal KM to succeed, it must find a way to work within the culture of firms, which also means the billable hour.

4) Dan pointed me to a great resource. Although ILTA puts on a great show, next year I’ll be attending the APQC conference instead. This show is about our clients’ KM. And it’s KM a number of steps ahead of where legal is. To borrow a phrase from the recent Iron Man movie, “Sometimes you’ve got to run before you walk.”

Kudos to Dan for sharing his programs and ideas.

There have been some good posts lately on how lawyers can leverage the use of Twitter in their practice of law. Here are a few that I’ve seen lately, and some of the highpoints of each:

Is Social Media Incompatible with Billable Hours?Bentley Tolk

  • Given the realities of the billable hour system, where do social networking and new media fit in for lawyers? It can be difficult to carry on a stream of conversation through Twitter or Friendfeed when a lawyer is billing time. Is it even ethical for an attorney who is “on the clock” to check Twitter every 15 minutes?

Bentley Tolk hits some good questions about the dynamics of the law firm, and the way the billable hour method of business can cause some initial discouragement of using Twitter (because it obviously cuts into the lawyer’s time that should be billed in 6 minute increments!!) However, once you look at both the structure of Twitter, and the smart use of it that doesn’t cut into the billable time, a good lawyer can use Twitter as an additional resources to keep up with the information he or she gathers from their Twitter conversations.Brian Herrington was interviewed on his use of Twitter and the practice of law by Mississippi’s The Clairion-Ledger newspaper:

  • He also uses Twitter to keep up with colleagues. “A lot of us blog now, so if people are writing about topics I litigate, it’s a quick exchange of useful information.”

In other words, Brian is using Twitter as a “micro-blog” source, or in a way, more as a short email service that keeps him up-to-date with what his friends in the legal industry are talking (or rather Twittering) about. Then there are some that seem to miss the boat on what Twitter actually can do to help a lawyer in the practice of law. CalLaw’s blog, LegalPad, put out a recent article entitled Twitter: As Silly for Lawyers as for Anyone Else? It was cute, and a little funny, but Brian McDonough should probably stick to subjects that he is more familiar with. Granted, Twitter can be difficult to “get your head around”… but, it is a resource that can help with keeping attorneys informed on recent trends, good articles, and current awareness issues dealing with legal issues. Probably just as good, or maybe better than CalLaw’s weekly news reports.

  • While I can’t imagine that, say, Quinn Emanuel is going to be landing any nine-figure, bet-the-company litigation because someone in their extended twit family “tweeted” out something like, “ne1 kno a gud atty 4 IP lit pls thx?” I do suppose that attorneys on the boutique and solo scale might find better uses for any convenient and inexpensive opportunity to network.

Brian seems to place Twitter as a Text-Messaging service for 16 year olds. I’m afraid that he’s missed the point. Luckily, there were lots of good responses to Brian’s posting, and hopefully, he has been better informed on the methods behind using Twitter in a legal practice specific way (not as a resource to text your BFF.)I’m not saying that Twitter is the do-all to end-all, but, when done right, it can produce a good resource to keep you informed on some of the latest trending and issues in the legal field. For a good overview of using Twitter, see Heather Milligan’s posting on the Legal Water Cooler.

Taking a rough and conservative estimate of 3 free CLE programs per week by large firms, then multiplying that by the 100 largest firms in the country, you get (3 x 52 x 100 =) 15,600 hours of free CLE per year. Next we’ll estimate that on average 35 lawyers attend each of these. This may seem high to some, but I know of telephone web seminars that easily draw 200 attendees. So now we have (35 x 15,600 =) 546,000 hours of CLE being given away each year by these large firms.

546,000 might seem like a lot, because it is. But consider that the rest of the AmLaw 250 and beyond and even legal market vendors give away CLE everyday, then 546,000 is not such a big number. But let’s work from it.

For a Bar association CLE program with $30 as the typical baseline of a per hour CLE price, this number would equate to ($30 x 546,000 =) $16,380,000 in annual CLE revenue. I’m guessing I just got the attention of any CLE Directors reading this. I know when I was the CLE Director for the Utah State Bar, this number would have lead to a cold sweat.

On Friday, I had the pleasure of sharing a beer and conversation with the Executive Director of the South Carolina Bar. Bob Wells is a gentleman and an enjoyable human in general. On this topic, he is (as usual) ahead of the game. His Bar is pushing for a larger facility to house CLE programs. He rightfully is questioning this path. He knows in the not-too-distant future his members will be getting CLE for free online. And why wouldn’t they? In addition to the obvious cost savings, Bob knows online CLE gives his lawyers the opportunity to take the subject matter they want, when they want it.

After the second beer, we concluded that CLE content will likely follow the Google model. Give it away and make money on ads and partnerships.

In the end, it’s really a question of who will figure this out first. Large law firms are already there, with them being the content provider and the advertiser. CLE providers would be smart to start looking down this path now instead of waiting for others to get in front of them.

The value of Online Social Networks, such as LinkedIn are becoming more of a mainstay in the large law firm arena. Usually the taboos that follow these types of “outside the control of the firm” technologies prevent the use by lawyers or staff of the firm. However, I am seeing a shift in the attitude of some of the firms, and an embrace, although a weak embrace, of some of the functionality that these types of services can bring to the firm.Law Firm Alumni Groups
I broke out my “researcher” cap and started delving through the LinkedIn Groups page to see how many of the top 100 law firms had some type of Alumni or Employee LinkedIn Group. I found that 35 firms out of the top 100 had a LinkedIn Group page. Most of them were Alumni groups, but there were a few that had current employee groups along with the Alumni, or specific groups just for employees. And, a few were apparently rouge employees that created a group at some point, but never did anything with the group after it was created.
Here is a list of the 35 firms, ranked highest to lowest by the number of members, and the type of LinkedIn Group:

Firm Name Members Type
Skadden, Arps, Slate,
Meagher & Flom
839 Alumni
Heller Ehrman 323 Alumni
White & Case 281 Alumni
Baker & McKenzie 278 Employee & Alumni
Orrick, Herrington
& Sutcliffe
183 Employee & Alumni
Troutman Sanders 159 Alumni
Fish & Richardson 88 Alumni
Womble Carlyle
Sandridge & Rice
61 Current Employees
Dewey Ballantine
(Dewey & LeBoeuf)
53 Alumni
Morgan, Lewis & Bockius 52 Alumni
Cooley Godward Kronish 51 Alumni
Venable 51 Alumni
Cadwalader, Wickersham
& Taft
45 Alumni
Pillsbury Winthrop
Shaw Pittman
45 Alumni
Cleary Gottlieb
Steen & Hamilton
40 Alumni
Goodwin Procter 40 Employee & Alumni
Duane Morris 31 Alumni
Holland & Knight 21 IP Attorneys
Stroock & Stroock
& Lavan
17 Employee & Alumni
Mayer Brown 15 Derivatives Lawyers
Bryan Cave 10 Alumni
Jones Day 10 Washington Alumni Group
Hunton & Williams 9 Alumni
Sonnenschein Nath
& Rosenthal
9 Alumni
Drinker Biddle & Reath 8 Alumni
McDermott Will & Emery 5 Current Employees
Sullivan & Cromwell 4 Employee & Alumni
Davis Polk & Wardwell 3 Alumni
Baker Botts 2 Current Employees
Baker & Hostetler 1 Current Employees
Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher 1 Alumni
Kirkland & Ellis 1 Current Employees
Kirkpatrick & Lockhart
Preston Gates Ellis
(
K&L Gates)
1 Current Employees
Seyfarth Shaw 1 Alumni
Steptoe & Johnson 1 Current and Former Paralegals

LinkedIn Profiles For Each Law FirmWell, these results got me thinking about the number of LinkedIn profiles that are also linked to these specific law firms. I decided to take a look at the LinkedIn Company data for each of these 35 firms, and jotted down some stats for each. For this portion I looked at the following information:1. Number of profiles linked to the firm (LinkedIn max is 500+)
2. Percentage of these profiles that had an “Attorney” title (associate, partner, counsel, etc.)
3. Median Age of the LinkedIn profile members
4. Percentage Male
5. Percentage FemaleHere is the results:

Firm Name Number of LinkedIn Members “Attorney” Titles (%) Median Age Male (%) Female (%)
Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom 500+ 60 30 55 45
Heller Ehrman 500+ 42 34 57 43
White & Case 500+ 60 29 54 46
Baker & McKenzie 500+ 57 29 52 58
Orrick, Herrington & Sutcliffe 500+ 55 31 56 44
Troutman Sanders 454 67 33 59 41
Fish & Richardson 500+ 49 32 60 40
Womble Carlyle Sandridge & Rice 323 56 36 59 41
Dewey Ballantine (Dewey & LeBoeuf) 359 61 30 56 44
Morgan, Lewis & Bockius 500+ 60 32 57 43
Cooley Godward Kronish 500+ 56 33 58 42
Venable 357 71 34 59 41
Cadwalader, Wickersham & Taft 283 66 31 65 35
Pillsbury Winthrop Shaw Pittman 500+ 62 34 55 45
Cleary Gottlieb Steen & Hamilton 470 58 28 59 41
Goodwin Procter 500+ 62 31 50 50
Duane Morris 500+ 60 37 60 40
Holland & Knight 500+ 69 35 57 43
Stroock & Stroock & Lavan 224 64 33 53 47
Mayer Brown 500+ 64 32 58 42
Bryan Cave 500+ 65 33 58 42
Jones Day 500+ 62 32 54 46
Hunton & Williams 500+ 50 33 53 47
Sonnenschein Nath & Rosenthal 500+ 57 34 57 43
Drinker Biddle & Reath 468 62 33 53 47
McDermott Will & Emery 500+ 57 33 60 40
Sullivan & Cromwell 500+ 53 29 55 45
Davis Polk & Wardwell 457 56 28 52 48
Baker Botts 500+ 59 31 60 40
Baker & Hostetler 323 61 34 57 43
Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher 500+ 62 30 54 46
Kirkland & Ellis 500+ 56 30 58 42
Kirkpatrick & Lockhart Preston Gates Ellis (K&L Gates) 500+ 61 34 57 43
Seyfarth Shaw 500+ 60 35 50 50
Steptoe & Johnson 373 52 33 57 43

From these results I was able to calulate the following:

% 500+ Members 68%
Avg. % Atty Titles 59%
Median Age 32
Avg. % Male 56%
Avg. % Female 44%
Avg. “Group” Members 78

No Surprises…. Well, Maybe OneOf course, there are a lot of things that pop out of these results that are interesting, but not all that unexpected. Things like the average age being in the early 30’s isn’t surprising, or that a majority of those profiled are male (just look around your firm.) The one thing that did surprise me, was the large percentage of those profiled that had “Attorney” titles. I would have thought that there would be more “administrative” profiles (IT, Library, KM, Marketing, Competitive Intelligence, etc.) So, it would seem from this initial overview, that there are a lot of attorneys that are actually creating LinkedIn accounts. Granted, this doesn’t say whether or not they actually used the LinkedIn account after they created it, but nonetheless, it does show that there is an interest in using this sort of Online Social Network.