This week we are joined by Anusia Gillespie, Enterprise Lead at vLex and debut novelist, as she shares her unique vantage point on the intersection of legal technology and the human side of law. Anusia traces her journey from commercial real estate finance attorney to global innovation leader, with roles at Harvard, UnitedLex, and Eversheds Sutherland, all driven by a mission to help lawyers by rethinking the systems they work in. Along the way she discovered that business-of-law blind spots, like a shocking embezzlement incident early in her career, revealed deeper structural issues that inspired her focus on system change.
Anusia describes how legal tech adoption often falters when lawyers’ reactions—especially negative ones—are misunderstood. Far from being a setback, she sees strong reactions as opportunities to engage skeptics and convert them into champions. She shares a vivid example from her current work at vLex, where an initially frustrated lateral partner became one of the firm’s most enthusiastic adopters after receiving attentive support and seeing immediate client impact.
The conversation pivots to Anusia’s new novel Soul Toll, which blends contemporary and fantasy storytelling to examine the personal cost of high-performance legal culture. The book’s central metaphor, the “soul toll,” measures the tradeoff between meaningful work and draining obligations. Through her protagonist Ember, a high-achieving lawyer on a seemingly predestined path, Anusia explores how professional ambition can be engineered and how easy it is to let subtle daily tolls overwhelm the soul. Her goal is to give lawyers and other readers a practical framework for assessing that balance in their own lives.
As AI reshapes legal work, Anusia argues that lawyers need both the courage and the space to “fight for their light,” a phrase she uses as both a personal mantra and a rallying call in the novel. She emphasizes that the industry’s relentless pace will not slow down on its own, so lawyers and firm leaders must deliberately set boundaries and create pauses to prevent burnout. The discussion also explores how technology can relieve drudgery while prompting a new definition of professional competence that values human insight as much as efficiency.
Anusia closes with a challenge to law firm leaders: confront the mindsets shaped by the billable hour and empower lawyers to think beyond six-minute increments. From her perspective, real change begins in how lawyers structure their time and measure success. Whether she is leading enterprise strategy at vLex or writing visionary fiction, Anusia keeps a single purpose in view—helping lawyers build healthier, more sustainable careers. Listeners can find Soul Toll on Amazon and connect with Anusia on LinkedIn to continue the conversation.
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Transcript:
Greg Lambert (00:00)
Hi, I’m Greg Lambert with the Geek in Review and I’m here with our friend Nikki Shaver who is going to talk to us about the adoption of resources and the tools they have there at LTH. So Nikki, tell us more.
Nikki Shaver (00:14)
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Hi, Greg, good to see you. So I am here to talk to you about some resources that we’ve just launched on LegalTech Hub. When generative AI launched into the legal market, people sort of assumed that you didn’t really have to worry about adoption. And that’s because the interface of an AI assistant, that open chat box, looks really appealing and easy to use. And all of us use it now in our personal lives. But the reality is that for most legal work,
a chat interface is not the most useful. You can do tasks with it but you can’t undertake workflows and even for legal work that can be done through an AI assistant interface you need lawyers to learn how to optimally use the technology. Adoption really still is an issue and firms are grappling with it and methodologies that can help to drive adoption are really still necessary. So recent studies have indicated that although approximately 70 % of the AmLaw 100
firms have rolled out some form of generative AI firm-wide, adoption rates of that technology hover around 25%. Obviously some firms have a much higher adoption rate, some firms have a lower adoption rate, but we know that it is still an issue and still something people need to deal with. we have on the site a number of adoption resources to help people and we’ve just published, in addition to the other adoption resources we’ve had on the site for some time, a series
of four new papers that provide practical best practices, guidelines, and checklists to help law firms and other legal AI buyers develop the kinds of programs that will genuinely help drive internal adoption. So we really hope those will be useful. Come along and find them on legalteknologihub.com. if you can’t access them for whatever reason, feel free to reach out to us.
Greg Lambert (02:07)
Well, that sounds super useful. can tell you from experience that adoption is one of hardest things to do. So any help we can get in that is really appreciated. So thank you, Nikki.
Nikki Shaver (02:17)
Absolutely.
Marlene Gebauer (02:25)
Welcome to The Geek in Review, the podcast focused on innovative and creative ideas in the legal industry. I’m Marlene Gabauer.
Greg Lambert (02:32)
And I’m Greg Lambert. ⁓ This week we are thrilled to welcome back a guest who really truly embodies the intersection of legal innovation and the human experience of being a lawyer. Anusia Gillespie has built a career as a change agent at the highest legal industry. think when we last talked to her, she was the head of innovation at Eversheds Sutherland and driving innovation and transform.
formation there and now currently she’s the enterprise lead at vLex which we all heard recently was ⁓ acquired in part of a landmark acquisition by Clio.
Marlene Gebauer (03:10)
And if that wasn’t enough, she’s also a debut novelist. Her book, Soul Toll is a contemporary fantasy that explores the personal cost of the high performance culture she’s had to work to transform from the inside. The book’s out on October 7th, Anusia, Welcome to The Geek in Review.
Anusia Gillespie (03:27)
Thank you so much for having me. It’s wonderful to be back.
Greg Lambert (03:30)
Yeah, yeah, we were looking, it’s been almost six years, I think, we were on last. And we were talking about the name of that episode, which was the New Big Laws Innovation Confusion Disorder, which we’ve decided is an evergreen title that we could probably put on all of our shows. Maybe that’s what we should have named the podcast. So yeah, it is.
Marlene Gebauer (03:34)
That just can’t be possible.
Yeah.
It’s true.
Anusia Gillespie (03:52)
You
Marlene Gebauer (03:55)
It’s catchy, it’s very catchy.
Greg Lambert (03:57)
So Anusia, again, you’ve had quite the fascinating ⁓ career. started off as a commercial real estate finance attorney, but you said that you almost immediately realized that you went to law school because you really wanted to help lawyers. And so instead of practicing, you chose to help by trying to fix the systems in which we all work
So I’m just curious, what was the moment that you realized that to truly help lawyers, had to change the system and technology that they used every day?
Anusia Gillespie (04:31)
Yeah, thank you for the question. It wasn’t one moment. It was more of a series of moments. And I think no kid is like, I want to help lawyers when I grow up. So I had to evolve into that kind of mission and purpose statement as well. But I think where it really started was I was working at a litigation boutique before law school.
And one day at lunch, the accountant didn’t come back and everyone was looking around for the accountant. Her shoes were still piled under her desk and there was a Coke on her desk, I remember still. And so it was just kind of like she got up and left and didn’t come back. And it was the accountant, it was a little concerning. And turned out she had embezzled millions of dollars and her house of cards was about to fall. And so she literally took the money and ran.
just blown away because I’ve been working with these lawyers, these accomplished smart lawyers, and then this business of law issue happened right under their nose. And so it just was the stark contrast for me on really smart lawyers having this business issue.
And I got interested in the business of law and pursued my JD MBA for partly for that reason. then it just kept evolving from there. know, as a law firm associate, I knew that the only way to get agency in your career is to develop business. But in commercial real estate, we represented banks and guess what? They were all accounted for already. So the only way to develop business was to be handed down accounts. It was all part of this system. And that’s when I started seeing kind of these systems that we were working in and began to think in systems terms.
what people were really trying to figure out was innovation. And so that’s where I started kind of leaning in and saying, all right, there’s something here to solve for that’s going to help lawyers in the industry at large.
Marlene Gebauer (06:15)
You’ve been a professional change agent inside some of the legal world’s most complex and risk averse organizations. From your time at Evershed Sutherland to UnitedLex to vLex, you’ve been focused on getting lawyers to embrace new ways of working. What would you say is the misconception that technologists have about lawyers? And what have you found to be the true key to earning their trust and getting them to adopt innovation?
that generally makes their lives better.
Anusia Gillespie (06:46)
So the biggest misconception that I’ve seen is that negative reactions to technology, especially by powerful partners, is to be avoided at all costs. You don’t want to have that kind of reaction. I get that. You don’t want to introduce something too early and have someone have a poor experience and then have to win them over again. That’s not a good experience. That’s not what I’m talking about. I’m talking about more this energy that a lawyer might have.
kind of energy around
know, trying to manage and bring someone into is good. It means I have their attention, whether it’s a positive or a negative reaction. And so now we just have to figure out how to use it. So I think the biggest misconception is that a negative reaction is really, really bad and a sense of failure. Whereas if you say, well, wait, let’s just lean into that more and use that energy to bring that person around and be our biggest champion, that’s an opportunity. that happened recently actually in a, we’re working at vLex with Stradley.
Ronan and building out a big curriculum with them. And there was a lateral litigation partner who was frustrated. He didn’t think he had the tools that he needed, that he did have at his larger firm. And so he thought he needed to redact all the information in order to use the tools that Stradley had. so had some of this kind of negative reaction. And I said, watch, within three weeks, this guy is going to be one of the biggest champions, as long as you invest the time to get him in there and help solve and show him how this works.
then within a week or two, he found a client use and got a piece of work product done that literally allowed him to go to a baseball game that night. And the next morning, he got an email from the client saying, you knocked it out of the park. How perfect of a story with a bow on it is that? And became a champion. So I’ve found opportunity in that energy and those reactions.
Greg Lambert (08:34)
Now I want to jump into your book, Soul Toll,
book itself is what you might call a visionary fiction. And I think you’ve kind of combined a couple of things from contemporary fiction and then you’ve got this kind of portal fantasy mix that comes in. And your main protagonist, ⁓ Ember, is this high achieving lawyer at a very prestigious firm who feels a deep disconnect the life that she’s.
pursuing, you know, just total fiction, right? You know, just… And I think she feels, you know, disconnected from the life she’s pursuing and ultimately she’s discovering that her ambition in life was kind of engineered.
Marlene Gebauer (09:11)
Absolutely.
Anusia Gillespie (09:24)
Thank you for asking about Soul Toll It is out tomorrow. And I’ve been describing it as a leadership book in fantasy clothing because there’s a lot of actionable insights to take away. But I wanted to tell it through story for a variety of reasons, including the impact that I saw the Harvard case study method having in executive education programs where practicing lawyers were able to engage with material through story in a much more objective
way than through other kinds of learning modalities.
That’s some of just the thought process behind the book and kind of where it fits. I just received a Kirkus review, which is a really long-standing review platform that called it a genre blending or genre blurring novel. And they saw that too. And I was so thrilled that they saw that it was this mix of motivation and fantasy because it wasn’t, you know, this is new. wasn’t quite sure if that was going to come across. But so that’s what we’re working with here. And there’s a lot to unpack from your question.
of how is this a powerful allegory. Yeah, so the phrase that her ambition was engineered, I’ll start there. what this is referring to is that she was placed on a track within law with a predefined definition of success and with incentives and constraints that keep her there chasing the next rung.
Greg Lambert (10:26)
⁓ Yeah, we’re known for our complex questions here.
Anusia Gillespie (10:48)
and there’s a line from a recent reader. keep having these early readers reaching out and it’s so exciting when they say, this line really, you know, ⁓ resonated with me. And, and she said, ⁓ the line that stuck out to her and in her late night reading last night was that the systems are designed for you to run out of time. And so you never get to win. And so that’s kind of what that her ambition was engineered means. It means it’s pointing her in a direction and then keeping her there without her ability to kind of pave her own path.
Greg Lambert (10:54)
That’s cool.
Anusia Gillespie (11:16)
and so she’s having to listen to what’s been created before her.
The term soul toll is something I’d like to unpack a bit too. I think we’ve all heard of the phrase of soul sucking work, like having to turn your insides off to show up. And soul toll is an attempt to turn that more into a helpful framework, where it’s more, what’s your ratio of soul and toll in your work, in your life, holistically? And how can you work with that to adjust those percentages to a place that feels right for you? It’s not 100 % soul or 100 % toll.
Either one is necessarily the right There’s growth in toll. But you just have to find and be aware of what’s going into each of those so that you can move them around as you move through life. And there’s a chapter in the book where Ember must confront the soul toll. And it’s a transaction where she’s given the option to trade a piece of her soul as the toll to gain access to a comfortable shortcut to reach her destination.
Well, in this chapter, this is kind of a stark moment in time. Sometimes the tolls that we pay aren’t that obvious and they’re much more subtle. so that’s a kind of a recurring piece throughout the book as well, not quite so explicitly, but that I think relates to our everyday lives as well, where these tolls can creep up and suddenly your job that you signed up for that was 70 % soul and 30 % toll and was feeling really good, erodes into an unsustainable 100 %
toll job. and
you flatline, you don’t realize how you got there because you weren’t paying attention to it. So that’s another piece. And then the third, and then I promise I’ll hand the mic back over in answering your question.
Greg Lambert (12:53)
Take your time.
Anusia Gillespie (12:54)
OK. It’s how does this theme connect with my day job of building better systems for lawyers? So always kind of reconnecting to the top here. First, we want lawyers to be healthy, high-performing athletes to contribute their highest and best to the legal operating system of the world. It is an important profession. We want people bringing their best. And they simply can’t achieve this without awareness and regulation of their physical, mental, and emotional health and well-being.
And so they should have a regular pulse on where they are on this spectrum of Sol and Tol. And the Sol-Tol framework kind of gives them a tool to do so. And I think it’s a really approachable, easy tool that isn’t too woo-woo or too intensive. It’s pretty quick. It’s pretty easy. And I think pretty helpful.
⁓ Second is that my day job is in legal technology and we are putting more and more of the drudgery of being a lawyer into machines and that’s a really good thing. It’s a systemic improvement that better positions lawyers to do higher brow work and connect to the mission and people of that work in doing so and so that’s kind of creating more room for soul, more room for all of these other pieces and that’s how it all comes together.
Greg Lambert (14:08)
Interesting, I was talking to a group this morning were asking about the drudgery of work and what AI could do and I said, well, it’s really interesting because for one of the first times in my career, at least in a long time, when I go to meetings with attorneys and we talk about things that they’re doing with some of the new technologies,
There’s an energy and excitement level that hasn’t been there in quite a while. Is it just me or Anusia, are you seeing that as well?
Anusia Gillespie (14:40)
I feel it too. I think that moving from process and automation to something generative and immediate is just a whole different ball game that is much more exciting. Lawyers are not steeped necessarily in process mapping. Automation wasn’t necessarily going to be such an exciting process to go through. Maybe the output of it. So yeah, I’m feeling it too.
Greg Lambert (15:00)
Well, speak for yourself. I was looking forward to that.
Marlene Gebauer (15:02)
Hahaha.
Greg Lambert (15:05)
There was ⁓ in your dedication to the book, you dedicated it to your son, but then the line is, always fight for your light, which also kind of shows up as the thematic line in the novel toward the end. what does this phrase mean to you both personally and what are you trying to hope that your readers take away from that message?
Anusia Gillespie (15:29)
So I had a moment and I’m gonna keep coming back to story because that’s what we’re doing here.
When after I left my law firm as an associate, the managing partner asked me to come back almost a year later and just talk about the reasons that I had left. some point in the conversation, I found myself putting one hand over my heart, like completely unintentionally or without thought, saying I just felt my light dimming.
And in that moment, I thought he was going to roll his eyes at me or dismiss me. And instead he said, well, that happened quickly. Like he understood completely of what I was talking about, which was equally as surprising to I love. Exactly. Or, you know, that’s a conversation we can have. And so that’s kind of where it started
Greg Lambert (16:10)
like, you knew this whole time and you didn’t tell me?
Marlene Gebauer (16:12)
You didn’t say anything?
Anusia Gillespie (16:21)
And then I’ve just found through this kind of soul toll analysis as I go, the more toll, the more you lose that light, the more you lose yourself. when people ask me to describe the book, I say, all right, put the story aside. What it’s about is the courage to pave your path in a world that’s telling you who to be. And how can you have the courage to pave your path if you don’t know what that light is, if you’re not connected to it?
and also understand that this world isn’t just built to shine all the time. And so there’s going to be a constant battle against having that light and protecting it and fighting for it. And so that was my message it’s important work for the greater good and for yourself to really fight for your light.
Marlene Gebauer (17:11)
Yeah, I love that idea and you’re right, that is work. I think that’s exactly the right way to phrase it because it’s something you gotta think about and do every day in a world where you’re just kinda doing your day-to-day work and you just gotta come back and is shine and how can I capture that and keep it.
So Anusia, your work unifying legal tech with AI is a massive change management challenge. Now in Soul Toll we see a cautionary tale of what happens when the human element is ignored. So there’s lawyers who become burnout wanderers because a firm prioritizes the grind above all else.
As you build this future, what’s the single most important thing law firm leaders should do right now to ground their people into light, ensuring they don’t become a generation of wanderers in the technological landscape?
Anusia Gillespie (18:12)
Thank you for using the book’s terminology. I feel privileged that you read it that deeply, so thank you. ⁓ So this isn’t an easy solution, but I think it’s the solution. And I think the biggest impediment to change in the legal profession is the billable hour. I’m saying that perhaps not for the reasons that you might think. And it’s more that.
Marlene Gebauer (18:17)
wanders with a capital W.
Anusia Gillespie (18:38)
change and transformation starts with, as my father would say, what’s going on between the ears?
if the thought process with a lawyer is always, how do I shorten this conversation so that I can get back to my billable hours, just like on repeat, then not much is going to get done beyond doing the same thing that we’ve always done. I say billable hour because it impacts the attorney mindset so much. It took me a full year to stop thinking in six minute increments and I only practiced for less than two years. So imagine that rewiring of people who practice for a really long time.
And the single most important thing to prepare people for what’s coming is to solve for this impediment to innovation and collaboration, adaptability, agility, and make it as part of that initiative, like really widely known and trained on in the firm as to why they’re doing that and what’s expected. It’s a huge change management effort, but that’s what I think has to be done.
Greg Lambert (19:34)
back to there in Soul Toll Embers burnout is fueled by this kind of soul crushing manual legal work that as we were talking about, AI is now able to automate at least at least in some instances right now. it was funny, there’s I think there was one part where you were using the control F.
imagery of, know, it’s like, here’s how I’ve got to find the information. as we kind of implement the technology to help us kind of get away from the drudgery of the control F, do you think that the very definition of professional competence needs to evolve in some way? Is there like a new ethical duty to
to use that reclaimed time to focus much more on the deeper human aspects of the profession, kind of in the way that your character had to journey to this resonance in order to find.
Anusia Gillespie (20:32)
Yeah, I struggle with this question a lot. ⁓ I interviewed Bob Ambrogi, Ed Walters, and some other experts in this area, Kat Moon, a number of years ago for an article that explored this. I struggle is how much of this is ethics and how much is market forces that shapes how this plays out? And is it an ethical duty to innovate?
or an ethical duty to keep pace with and adopt technology. And I view those as different things.
So in order to provide a concrete answer to the question, the easiest way for me to think about it is in the context of solo lawyers and uninformed buyers. If I’m protecting the consumer in that instance, then yes, I think a lawyer should have an affirmative responsibility to keep pace with and adopt relevant new technologies. And you can’t create those kind of duties just for one type of lawyer versus another type of lawyer. So then I think it has to be across the board. But maybe market forces shape the
the
actual behaviors more as you go into bigger organizations. ⁓
Greg Lambert (21:35)
Can you dive a little deeper into what kind of market forces are you seeing or have seen that drive that?
Anusia Gillespie (21:43)
Yeah, by market forces, I mean clients adopting these tools themselves and knowing what they can do and then pushing back on law firms and the way that they’re delivering services in RFPs, asking what technologies you’re using and providing a lot of pressure that way.
market forces and consolidation in kind mid-sized law firms that must adopt this technology to compete. So all of those kinds of forces that are influencing behavior.
Marlene Gebauer (22:13)
So before we get to the crystal ball question, we’d like to know, you know, what are some of the ways that you keep up to date that you stay inspired like on all that’s happening in the industry? You know, are there some go-to sources that you rely on to keep up with with all the changes?
Anusia Gillespie (22:31)
Well, the Geek in Review podcast, obviously. I’m quite fortunate at VLex to have internal channels, including a competitive intelligence channel where some of the best minds in the world and legal are constantly sharing. ⁓ So that’s a really incredible resource that I have internally at VLex. And then the other best resource is AgeOld.
Marlene Gebauer (22:34)
Besides the geek in review.
Greg Lambert (22:34)
We’ve got to put in there besides the Geek in review.
Anusia Gillespie (22:58)
my close friends in legal innovation that I’m texting with. And it’s just like the watering hole of reality versus the hype of the media. So those are the places I go.
Marlene Gebauer (23:06)
That’s a great quote. We’re going to use that. That
might be, that might be the title. What do you think Greg?
Anusia Gillespie (23:10)
Hahahaha
Marlene Gebauer (23:11)
Okay, now it’s time for the crystal ball question. looking ahead a few years, a few months, a few days, what is the biggest change or challenge that you see for the legal profession considering both rapid technological evolution that you’re driving at VLex and the human centric needs that you explore in Soul Toll?
Anusia Gillespie (23:31)
So what really struck me at the Legal Tech Hub Innovation Conference recently in New York ⁓ was I kept hearing people say, when this slows down, then I’m going to take a break. Yeah, exactly. This isn’t going to slow down. There’s not a when X event happens, and I’m to be able to take my foot off the gas and recover from this sprint.
Marlene Gebauer (23:45)
That’s funny.
Greg Lambert (23:47)
I said
that 1999.
Anusia Gillespie (23:57)
It’s just not where we are. It’s been three years already since Jenny, I hit the scene. I haven’t slowed down yet. Have you over the past three years? Yeah. so when there’s no natural pause anymore, people are going to have to create that for themselves and set new real boundaries. Or I think on the human side, we’re going to see a lot of people burn out and drop out really fast.
Marlene Gebauer (24:05)
Things don’t slow down. It’s like they’ll stay at least at this pace or faster.
Greg Lambert (24:07)
Yeah.
Anusia Gillespie (24:22)
to end on a positive note.
Marlene Gebauer (24:22)
Yeah, I think that that’s true. It’s like the, this,
Greg Lambert (24:23)
Yeah.
Marlene Gebauer (24:25)
technological pace is not the same as, as, human pace to just kind of absorb all of this stuff. And, know, we have to, you know, for own health, have to recognize that and sort of bake in those, those safeguards.
Anusia Gillespie (24:29)
Yes.
Greg Lambert (24:39)
Well, I’m just curious as a follow. Yeah, I’m perfectly fine. You know, I got this full head of dark brown hair. So ⁓ I’m curious on because of what you’ve been doing over these years. How do you look? I guess a couple of things. Do you you look for signs?
Marlene Gebauer (24:41)
Except Greg. Greg can.
He’s a robot.
Greg Lambert (25:07)
In that, and then is there, and I know you are into yoga as well, is there a way to kind of like, when you’ve identified the signs to work with people to kind of find that balance and restore that light a little bit, is there suggestions you have?
Anusia Gillespie (25:29)
Yeah, that’s another really big question for the very close of a podcast. But yes, I think that, I mean, there are true like clinical signs where people are ruminating and their kind of brain feels raw and they’re just on the verge of burnout. And that’s a kind of different model too, versus some of what we’re talking about. think that the like waking up feeling behind the complete sense of overwhelm
like looking at your week and wondering how you’re going to handle it. Like those kinds of very real feelings that come up are pretty good indicators of maybe I need to think about this a little bit differently here. I just had a conversation this morning with someone of how to say no. And it’s like for me, one of those tools is I have three things I’m working on.
And if it doesn’t fit into one of those three buckets, then it’s a no. And that’s not me saying no. That’s the bucket saying no. Don’t get mad at me. That’s what we agreed to. So I think things like that in a very real, practical sense. And then just in a more metaphysical sense, I think you just know. I think if you are really honest with yourself and just take a minute to think about it, which we don’t do.
know where we are a little bit and if you don’t, which I’ve actually seen too, I saw a comment from a lawyer on LinkedIn up to Adam Grant and Adam Grant was talking about flow and the lawyer asked, how do you know if you’re in flow? And I was just like, how do you not know if you’re in flow? Of course you know that, you know? And I was just like, oh, but I forget sometimes that people just haven’t.
approached these topics before. I don’t know when they’re in flow, don’t know when able to kind of be in their body or not. ⁓ And so I would say for me, where that started was over 10 years ago being ⁓ forced to meditate through my yoga training program and I hated it and I wanted to run away. But then that made me really curious of why can’t I sit with myself for 10 minutes? Like, that’s not good.
Greg Lambert (27:34)
you
Anusia Gillespie (27:37)
And so if you need a really practical place to start, you don’t have to meditate. You can just sit with yourself for 10 minutes and see what that’s like.
Greg Lambert (27:45)
I love when you said waking up feeling behind, I know this is much easier to say than it is to actually implement, but I think a lot of us want to get to that place where we go to bed feeling like we’ve accomplished something rather than waking up and feeling behind, and it’s kind of striking that balance.
Like I said, easy to say, hard to do, but it’s one of those things if you can get there, life will be a lot easier. Well, Anusia Gillespie, Enterprise Lead of vLex and author of the brand new novel coming out tomorrow, Soul Toll. Thank you very much for, ⁓ this has been a really incredible, insightful conversation, so thank you.
Marlene Gebauer (28:28)
Yeah, absolutely,
thank you.
Anusia Gillespie (28:30)
Thank you for the questions. really appreciate it.
Marlene Gebauer (28:33)
And thanks to all of you, our listeners, for taking the time to listen to the Geek in Review podcast. If you enjoy the show, please share it with a colleague. We’d love to hear from you on LinkedIn and TikTok.
Greg Lambert (28:43)
Yeah, I put out a weird TikTok this week, so I don’t know if you saw it. Yeah, well, it wasn’t weird. It was just me recapping. different, different, not weird. But it was weird. So Anusia, enough about our TikTok. If listeners want to learn more about your work there at VLex and of course, where they can find SoulToll, where’s the best place for them to
Marlene Gebauer (28:46)
So check out Greg’s weird TikTok.
Weird, really weird.
Anusia Gillespie (29:09)
⁓ I’m active on LinkedIn. I would love for people to reach out and connect with me. And then you can find Soul Toll on Amazon.
Greg Lambert (29:16)
Yeah, tell her what your favorite line of the book is.
Marlene Gebauer (29:20)
And as always, the music you hear is from Jerry David DeSica. Thank you very much, Jerry.
Greg Lambert (29:26)
All right, thanks, Jerry. Bye everyone.
Marlene Gebauer (29:28)
Bye.