This week we talk with Ed Walters from VLex to explore the Autumn 2024 release of VLex’s Vincent AI platform. Ed discusses a series of transformative updates that are turning Vincent AI from a legal research tool into a comprehensive platform that integrates drafting, transactional, and research tasks. These updates include new workflow tools, redlining capabilities, and an innovative feature called Prompt Assist, which enables users to have more control over the AI’s responses by asking follow-up questions to refine their queries. This added transparency and auditability make Vincent AI more user-friendly and trustworthy, as Ed highlights throughout the discussion.
One key feature of the Autumn 2024 release is the introduction of multi-turn conversations within the AI’s responses. This enhancement allows users to continue asking follow-up questions, enabling a deeper exploration of legal issues without needing to start from scratch each time. We discuss how this mirrors tools like Perplexity, where AI can provide follow-up prompts to help users navigate complex inquiries. Vincent AI goes further by asking clarifying questions to ensure the results are tailored to the specific needs of the user, such as identifying which party is at risk in a contract.
Ed emphasizes that legal professionals are not just conducting research for academic curiosity—they need actionable tools integrated into their workflow. Vincent AI’s new capabilities, such as drafting briefs or analyzing redlines, reflect this shift by focusing on providing immediate, actionable insights. Ed explains how these workflow tools enable lawyers to dive straight into their work instead of first sifting through research results, creating a more efficient and integrated process for legal professionals.
A significant highlight of the episode is the introduction of VIDA (Vincent in Docket Alarm), a new feature that combines VLex’s Vincent AI with Docket Alarm’s vast repository of court documents. This integration allows legal professionals to conduct deeper analyses of litigation trends, law firm strategies, and individual lawyer performance, offering unprecedented insight into how cases are being handled. Ed humorously mentions a suggestion from the VLex team to call this feature “DIVA” (Dockets in Vincent AI), but for now, it remains VIDA. This new development provides law firms with enhanced analytical capabilities to explore their own practices and those of competitors.
Finally, the episode concludes with Greg and Ed discussing the broader implications of these tools for law firms, especially in managing large, multi-jurisdictional projects. Ed explains how the 50-state survey feature, a traditionally burdensome task, can now be completed in minutes, making it easier for firms to scan legal landscapes across the U.S. and globally. As Greg points out, this capability not only streamlines the process for legal teams but also creates new opportunities for firms to offer innovative services to clients. Throughout the episode, the conversation showcases how Vincent AI’s latest updates are pushing the boundaries of legal technology.
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Transcript
Greg Lambert 0:07
Greg, welcome to the geek and review the podcast focused on innovative and creative ideas in the legal industry. I’m Greg Lambert and I have a special show here. We’re going to drop this show a little early this week, and I have with us this week. Ed Walters from v has been on the show multiple times, so welcome back, Ed,
Ed Walters 0:30
Thanks, Greg, here. Thank you for having me. Alright,
Greg Lambert 0:33
so we talked earlier this week and made sure that we can get you on, because v has a kind of a number of upgrades that are coming out for the autumn 2024 release, and so I wanted to let’s do a little show and tell on some things that are going on. So first of all, let’s talk a little bit about what advancements vLex is launching this autumn.
Ed Walters 1:04
Yeah, so in the autumn 2024 release, this is much more of a platform. I mean, you’ll see, like a lot of new workflows, but I would say that the visa AI, until this point, has been an amazing research to maybe one of the best in the world, very proud of what we’ve done up until now. The arm 2024, release is really what a platform it is. Not just research tasks, there’s drafting tasks, there’s transactional tasks. You’ll see all kinds of cool redlining tools. And then sort of beyond that, there are major kind of architectural upgrades, for example, uh, prompt assist. If you ask a question that could have a number of different meanings, face and AI will focus that it will ask follow up questions to you, it will say, I think this is what we’re trying to do here before going and running the task, so users have that kind of control, then can see and can audit, you know, exactly what’s being prompted behind the scenes.
Greg Lambert 2:07
So so on the prompt assist and, and I kind of know the answer to this, because we talked about it before, but we’re both big fans of tools like perplexity, where you’re using AI on the on the open web. And one of the things that I I really like is that, you know, I can give it a good, solid question or a good prompt, and, you know, go out and search this and bring me back information on that. But one of the things that I’ve really enjoyed with it is it gives me, like, four or five really good follow up questions to ask, some sometimes things I would know to ask, but sometimes it’s not some things I know to ask, especially if it’s in an area that I’m not familiar with. So is, is it similar to what users see in a tool like perplexity,
Ed Walters 2:50
exactly? And I think, like perplexity, it will show the hypothesis, it will show what we think your acetate, and it will ask follow up questions. If you say, what are the risks in this contract? Vincent AI will come back and say, risks to goon, do you represent party a or party B? And I’ll show you the, you know, the kind of risk profile based on that. But it’s not, it’s no longer just kind of a, you know, all that stuff’s being processed behind the scenes, and you can’t really see it, and you don’t really know if you’re getting what you were asking, I would say related to that movie, since in the autumn, 24 release also includes multi turn questions, so if you ask a question and get something back, now, you can also ask follow up questions. You can drill it down, specify a lot more like this or this different voice, and that’s that’s also really important. And I think the two things you’ll see here are really based on user control. You and I have had this conversation before. It’s very important to us that we’re building kind of ethical, trustworthy, responsible AI tools, and the hallmark of that, as you’ve heard me say before, is really transparency, auditability, accountability, and so with prompt assist and with this kind of multi Turn conversations, you really have that kind of hallmark of transparency and auditability?
Greg Lambert 4:26
Yeah, I want to drill down a little bit into I was talking to a friend of mine yesterday and and we were talking that workflow tools seem to be the, you know, kind of the soup du jour of of the legal market right now, it’s much, much more focused on workflow. So before I ask you about what you’re doing, I want you to define what you’re meaning by workflow tools. What, what? When you say, work? Flow, what? What are you meaning when it comes to what Vincent is doing here? Yeah,
Ed Walters 5:04
that’s a great question. So when people are using these tools, they’re not usually trying to edify themselves. You know, if I do a research task, it’s not to make myself a smarter lawyer. If I’m analyzing a red line, it’s not, you know, because I have an academic curiosity. Usually, I’m trying to put something together. I am writing a response brief. I am trying to make the next turn of this red line. It’s not about the kind of research tasks separated from the work. It puts it right in the work. If I’m drafting a response, and I asked an associate for a research memo, and you know that associate came back and delivered a stack of papers that I would then read and synthesize for myself and be better informed to draft a reply or something. That’s helpful, but it’s not as helpful as here’s a draft of the reply based on my research that you can now edit. And that’s the difference to me between like research and workflow. But workflow tools start the process so that lawyers are information professionals are like in the process of doing what they’re doing, not outside that process. Okay,
Greg Lambert 6:22
all right, so let’s talk a little bit about the workflow tools, because I know you have things like, you know, analyzing contracts, exploring a collection you got, analyze the deposition, building an argument, what? What are, what are some of the tools that you’re most proud of? And then if you want to jump in and show some, you can, you can share your screen if you want, yeah,
Ed Walters 6:50
sure. Well, so I’ll just say that this is, this is not like adding a couple of your workflow tools into Vincent. This is, I think, something like triple or quadruple the number of different kinds of tools that are available, and this is really more of a platform than a discrete set of individual tools. So now, when you are, you know, working in a contract, you can analyze red lines. You can analyze the contract itself. You can put together elements of the closing binder when the contract is done, when you work in the litigation, you can do the same sort of research tasks as before, but now you can begin drafting the responses. You can analyze opponents’ briefs. You can do all kinds of follow up work. You can find things that are related to this litigation in docket alarm. And this is lucky. The other thing that I typically had in a big way, this is the first time you’re really starting to see the union of vLex’s AI in Vincent, AI and docket alarm. For the first time, we’re pulling these docket alarm stills into Vincent. We’re calling it Vita Vincent in docket alarm. There was a there was a small dissenting faction inside of vLex. Why am I called diva dockets and Vincent AI, but we’re going to call it Vita and so these Vincent tools in docket or 825 million dockets, briefs, motions, complaints, answers from that litigation workflow are now you start and see them in the invasive platform as well. And I’ll show a couple of those. That’s also pretty exciting. Okay, dot. Let’s kick it off. Can that show?
Greg Lambert 8:38
Let’s jump in the show, The Show, part of the show, and tell, yeah,
Ed Walters 8:42
okay, good. So you’ll remember Vincent AI as being like, three or four excellent workflows in the past. Now you’ll see. And first of all, you can just right off the bat, do anything. You can start typing like right here, what would you like to do? And you can just sort of ask the question. You will recall, this is not just a tool for the US. It has been a tool that is global. We first launched it, it was US, UK, Spain and Ireland. Now we’re adding all these other countries with this autumn 24 release, we’re also adding France, Portugal, in Brazil. You can search any one of these. To
Greg Lambert 9:28
search them, do you need to enter it in in French or Portuguese?
Ed Walters 9:33
That’s a great question. No, you can actually query it in any language. This is the visiting databases and vector, which is like kind of in math that creates this concept-based map of all the concepts, of all the ideas in the statutes and to your opinions, it doesn’t really matter what language it’s in. So I can search the French database in English, I would get a four. Stories in French summarize in English with an answer in English. Okay? And I can actually search the US, Spain and France, and all of the individual documents will be in their native languages, but they’ll all be summarized in my language, my face English, and then you get back the answer in English. But you can flip that as well if you’re if, if you’re in the Jackson Walker office in Spain, and you are a native Spanish speaker, you can search in Spanish over the US database and get back answers in Spanish. I think that’s unique. I mean, I think, yeah, Vincent is the only kind of global platform where the laws of many different countries are available in a single platform, which for global law firms, is very powerful, yeah. I
Greg Lambert 10:50
think for that, it is very unique at this point.
Ed Walters 10:57
Yeah. I mean, you know, we will continue to push people to will drag them into the future, but at least for right now, we are way out ahead of the market. Those are all the street search tasks and other platforms. Let me show you a couple of these. Yeah, please do so. You will recognize a few of these, like the kind of research questions and build an argument. But now we have these tools like the analyze a contract or redline analysis a native 50 state survey. By running a question both 50 states, I can get back the answer in a table that summarizes what in 10 minutes, all of the law for all 50 states the autumn 24 release also includes collections. For the first time, instead of working on a single document, I can add, like an entire folder of documents. Here I’ve got 22 but I have 22 audio dot them as well. Okay. And so here I can say, you know, if all of these documents, what is the salary? Compensation? Leads Steve though to go through the entire collection and pull out from you know, across multiple documents, right? The answer to this question based on the entire collection, and one thing to show all this is running is, in addition, there is in the name due diligence feature a year as well.
Greg Lambert 12:34
Now one, one of the things, while this is coming up, one of the things that generative AI was notorious for, and may still be, is that, especially when it comes to extracting specific information, if it doesn’t find that information, it may make up that information. So how are you kind of you know, if you’re looking for the CEO salary, if it’s not in there, how do you keep it from making it up?
Ed Walters 13:07
That’s a great question. I think that the one of the most powerful features in visit AI is the answer. I don’t know, and we built it from scratch to say, like, if you don’t, we’re building confidence for us. You know all these answers. You know, if the confidence score is not very, very high, it’s instructive to say, I don’t know, not to pre the answer, or to give a low confidence answer,
Greg Lambert 13:33
okay? And then also in your answer, and I’m sure you’re about to show this, can you cite back to the document where it where it’s finding the information. Yeah,
Ed Walters 13:42
yeah, absolutely. So let me show you actually in the Analyze contract feature, going to drag in an asset purchase agreement. This is the Garden City Hospital asset purchase agreement.
It’s a PDF, basically right away identifies this is an asset purchase agreement between Garden City Hospital and prime healthcare services. And then automatically, it says, here are some things we can do with this transactional document, this asset purchase agreement. And you can see this is all based on what kind of document it is. This is not, you know, for just anything. So when I say, show me all of the post closing obligations if I, if my law firm did an asset participant at the end of the process, I would have like a couple of team members go through and read the contract and say, Now, guard the city. Here are some things we need to do after the closing, and that might take, like, a couple of lawyers couple of days to go through. And identified, you know, what’s required of the parties after the closing. We just did it in. I don’t know what was that? 30 seconds, maybe
Greg Lambert 15:09
30 seconds, maybe 45
Ed Walters 15:13
but this was, this was your point, before, for every one of these obligations, we are setting back chapter and verse, what section of the asset purchase agreement that obligation derives from. And here we’re done with these, by the way. I mean, I don’t know if your listeners are familiar with APA, but it’s there’s not like a section that says Post closing obligations. You know, here’s a list of them. You can see we’re pulling this from multiple sections of the contract, and these are based on business kind of deep understanding of what’s going on in an asset purchase agreement.
Greg Lambert 15:50
Gotcha. Now, one of the things that that you mentioned in the press release that that went out is that you can create these multi document collections, like we’re seeing here. And you can enable teams to store and work with playbooks. You can have them work with knowledge management resources and document libraries such as style guides. So can you talk to us? Talk a little bit more about kind of the the use cases that you see with these collections. Yeah.
Ed Walters 16:25
So the idea with the collection is that sometimes you have a team that is working on something together. Uh, I think 10 especially big matters. If you’re doing, like a due diligence project, or you are working on like, kind of a complex transactional deal, it’s not going to be like one document that you’re working from, right? They’ll have, like, leases and, you know, HR obligations, still have environmental risk mitigation. There’ll be, like, a bunch of different documents that the team is working from. And so with collections, instead of each person, like individually uploading all of those documents, you could create, like a secure repo for those documents in Vincent AI, and then control who and your team has access to it, and then they can all work from that same set collaboratively, instead of individually on those documents. Okay,
Greg Lambert 17:24
that sounds very interesting. So what do you want to show us next? Yeah,
Ed Walters 17:29
so I mean, there’s, there’s way too much to show each individual one, but I will just point out this is not just research tasks now, and this is now transactional documents. There are docket tasks in here and here, one of the things I’m really excited about, I’m previewing it today, but these Vita skills, there’s so much information, it’s so much intelligence baked into the experience database of dockets for litigators, have a lot of information about what different parties do in a litigation strategy, how law firms approach litigation, what judges do. And I think in the past, we’ve seen like individual point solutions for this. But now I think for the first time, with these Vita tasks. You can use this in AI to understand, in the deep way, what a lawyer does, what a law firm does. You know, if you want to find something that is like that case that you’re working on, you can use Vita to pull similar matters. And so this is, this is new. I think in the past, we have kind of pre chewed analytics about docket information in the graded me in some sort of stock. Alarm is a tool that does that as well, right? But I think because of the size of that database, and because we have invested, you know, probably at this point a decade, in structuring all of that data using SALI tags, we are able to derive these really interesting AI insights from that data in a way that Noah’s able to do for not in A preachy way, in a way that allows, you know, individual lawyers or information professionals, law librarians to create their own queries, their research tasks that will search across everything units and then return these just kind of amazing insights.
Greg Lambert 19:37
Yeah, I could see something like this, and this just me talking off the top of my head, knowing what you’ve shown me so far. But I can also see our marketing team wanting to get in on this and look at experience, not just for ourselves, but maybe others. I can see our recruiting team looking at this as well to find experts in. In the field that may be out, you know, for, for trying to plug a hole, you know that might be a way is that, are you? Are you seeing beyond just the legal research and just the analytics for the case at hand, an expanded view of what, what a law firm or others could use Vincent in vita for absolutely
Ed Walters 20:22
depending. So in some ways, you know, we have created a generation of tools that will go through the whole, you know, the whole company is based on free, one kind of insight from that data, you know, and then law firms subscribe to the to the product that does that one slice. I’m just doing expert witnesses. I’m just doing insights about judges. I’m just doing prepared and intelligence about another law firm. I’m just doing kind of information for lateral hires about what litigators are very good. And what I say here is exactly as you point out, they said doctrine one allows you to do qualify, look all in the place, but we’re a bigger document stuff than anyone’s got,
Greg Lambert 21:15
excellent and in speed, I can tell already this is faster than it
Ed Walters 21:21
used to be, yeah, by a lot. This is in some straight because, in some sense, because the llms have gotten faster. But you’ll see the responses are much faster. I’m currently not showing it off. I’m running one of the slowest things you can do, like an entire 50 state survey. This would take, I don’t know the person, year or something. It’s 50 different tasks behind the scenes. You saw the prompt assist when I when I ran that query, Dixon said, like, here’s what I think you’re asking. If it is, check this box and let’s go this one might take 10 minutes, but what’s going to go through and do is answer this question in Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, all 50 states. And then they will create a summary table that shows all the answers about 10 minutes. But then for each one of them, you can call the research memo and see the Citing sources. You can see all the authorities behind that answer. You can get a full research memo answering the question, just for Alaska, just for install. And critically, if we’re asking something on the frontier and there’s no good answer, it will actually say, for some jurisdictions, there’s not really anything here, it won’t it does something or hallucination,
Greg Lambert 22:43
right? Yeah, and 50 state surveys and going outside the press release now, I think is one of the things that it’s one of the things that most of our, especially business clients want, but it’s one of those things that nobody wants to do. Yeah, you know, they don’t want to. We don’t want to. We don’t want to charge them a huge sum of money to do it. They don’t want to pay a huge sum of money to do it. But traditionally, it takes a lot of effort to create and maintain 50 state surveys, you know, especially on nuanced ideas. So you know, in in your view, do you see this, this type of action tool helping kind of solve that pain point that that we have with our clients, where we know it has to be done. It’s really hard, it’s really expensive, but we really don’t want to charge for it, and we really don’t want to spend a lot of time on it. It’s this weird paradox when it when it comes to this. So yeah, where do you see tools like this taking in, approaching that problem?
Ed Walters 23:59
Well? So I think you’ve really hit the nail on the head. If you’re representing ExxonMobil, you know, their research questions, the things they need to, you know, scan that horizon for, aren’t just in Texas, you know, they’re in all 50 states. They’ve got operations everywhere. And so they need to know what the law is every they need to track develop these, you know, all 50 states. And so nobody wants to run the 50 state research projects, and nobody wants to rerun them every month, every week. But I think if you have a tool that does that kind of grunt work for you, that sort of takes care of that behind the scenes that creates, like, a new kind of product that your firm can offer to clients. Um, that makes it much easier. Now it doesn’t take about 10 minutes to learn, but in 10 minutes, I will have, like, a complete answer for all 50 states, right? And that creates a new product in my firm can offer to clocks. Mm. We can. We can then say, like we will scan the horizon for you on 10 issues. Can just run this search, but once a month, once a week a we get alerts for things that are new. And, man, that’s just a recipe for for happier clients. I get it for 50 states, but I have to do the same thing across the 13 different country, jurisdictions. Exxon also in his operations in France and Portugal and Brazil. So this now allows my, I think, maybe a mid sized firm, to add, like, a global footprint for the first time, presenting this fines. Yeah, yeah. And that’s the word for an easy we’re trying to empower law firms lawful new services to be more helpful to clients and to learn more business.
Greg Lambert 25:52
I want, want to go back real quick to the the prompt to assist or not. The prompt assist the the new multi turn conversation feature, right? Is there a limit on the number of follow ups that you can do? Because I know, in some other products, there’s like, three to five follow ups, maybe 10 follow ups, which probably, if you’re at 10, you need to probably start over anyway, unless you’re drilling, you know, unless you’re really drilling down. But yeah, did do you see, you know, what is the good part of that? And then also, I think, what would you kind of advise your users to be careful of with that? Because you can kind of go down a rabbit hole? I think, yeah,
Ed Walters 26:41
it’s a great question. I think maybe taking the good Council of visit here, I will say I’m not really sure the answer. I had not faced that question before, and no one on car TV said to me, a the multi turn thing has a limit of five turns or 10 turns. So I’m not aware that there’s any limit. But, like I said, part of our team might have built something architecturally behind the scenes. Will Council collect the, you know, the the risk of multi turn conversations is that if, if you really wanted to, you know, try to to break this if you got to, like, the 50th turn or something, you know, you probably could have, if you were trying to push it to do something screwy, you know, 50 turns in a multi turn conversation. You probably could, yeah, but again, like the the the idea here is that it should be extremely useful for users, not that you couldn’t abuse it with fire. I mean, it’s obviously useful for a million things can you’ve used Sure. I mean, that doesn’t mean that it’s not hyper useful. Okay,
Greg Lambert 27:57
Okay, any other cool features you want to show. Or, yeah,
Ed Walters 28:03
well, so I think maybe the last one I’ll show is analyze a complaint. You’ve probably seen this before, but this is an update to it. So if I want to pull in the complete for Yoast versus Google, what’ll happen? Here is, you know, obviously Vincent reads the complaint and figures out what it is, what kind of lawsuit it is, and then, just like good law firm would, it will go through and analyze and it’ll figure out, like, show me all the claims, extract a timeline of the facts. If I represent Google in this case, right, I might say, show me the defenses for each claim, or give some advice about legal strategy, about next steps, or I can do research tasks based on that complaint. I could say, you know, I this is based on reading of that complaint. It’s a complaint for a violation of privacy under California law. Here’s a good example, proposed defenses to each claim by fear you represent. So I’m going to say their representatives, Google. So I picked it here who will see but so this will go through and we’ll create a set pub it
will go through and create a set of defenses that are specific to Google and would be different, obviously, for each defendant in the lawsuit. But I can go through and I can continue to ask these kinds of questions about individual defenses. I think. You and I have run this together a couple of times, and you just think about two or three minutes
Greg Lambert 30:04
Obviously a lot faster. Is this jurisdictional based? Can you limit it to specific jurisdictions?
Ed Walters 30:12
Yeah, here is, is choosing California law because it seemed to complete. Just filed in California courts, but it’s actually going through for each one of them, saying, like, you know, this one is a cause of action under the California Business and Professional code. So I’m going to do the defenses under California law. It was a clear report that had federal and state claims. They would do the same thing. You would, you know, pull the defense is based on, you know, based on where the cosmic actions stems from,
Greg Lambert 30:47
and and should, for some reason, the complaint not have enough information. Would it follow up with with additional questions? Or is that something that the user would have to do.
Ed Walters 31:03
I think the user would probably do that here. But again, like my because it’s multi turbine, I can go through and I can say, you know, tell me more about the intrusion upon seclusion. I mean, excellent. So there’s a lot here, I will walk you through what?
Greg Lambert 31:21
Yeah, I was going to say we, I don’t have you all all day, half of tomorrow, to go through all of these. So, yeah, and So Ed, I wanted to, you know, thank you very much for taking the time today to Oh, do we have our 50 state?
Ed Walters 31:38
Yeah, I wouldn’t do something else, but business working in the background to fetch 50 state survey. And as you can see, for for everyone at the states, again, like a summary is sort of a table, but I can pull the full answer. I was going
Greg Lambert 31:55
to say was, what can you export it in? Because that tends to be, you know, I think we still, unfortunately, work in spreadsheets when it comes to 50 state surveys. Yeah, no, I
Ed Walters 32:05
think that’s right. I mean, I think that’s the right way to do it. So for the 50 state survey where I get the answer, I think it is downloadable into Excel. I don’t know. I’ll go back and check that, yeah, but yeah, I think that’s, I think that’s the place where it should live, okay,
Greg Lambert 32:30
yeah, well, if not, I’m sure we’ve got good people in our document services.
Ed Walters 32:36
No. I mean, we should, we should do that behind the scenes, maybe my to put a bow on follow up,
Greg Lambert 32:45
yeah,
Ed Walters 32:46
here’s my closing argument too, right? Sure. So you’ve seen these kinds of tools in this before, yeah, and other tools too, right? This is really not the addition that a couple of more workflow tools, this is the first time it’s really a platform. It is not just a platform for research, although the research skills are amazing, it is now a platform for all kinds of legal work, analyzing red lines, doing transactional documents, putting together, closing monitors, doing research. It is not just in the US, it is around the world. It localizes for each jurisdiction. If Jackson Walker, London office is using it, they will spell and analyze with an S instead of a Z. But also, if you’re using Spain, will be in Spanish, and you can work in Spanish. So I think, you know, in my, my prior role at fastcase, I think our bread and butter, the place where we were most popular, was small law firms who use fastcase like crazy. And that’s still the case. I mean, fastcase is still by far the most popular Legal Research Service among small firms. With the Vincent AI tools with vlex, we also are finding like a very strong foothold in the world’s largest firms in global law firms who represent clients around the world. We don’t have just a question for Florida. Flew with a question for all 50 states, or across the European and Latin America. And so, in a way, we are now sort of serving the top of the market and in size and the smallest law firms, and kind of, you know, converging on the middle market as well. So law firms that are have been sort of regional firms for a while now, can do liberal work. This is a really interesting development for the market. I think that the incumbents of this market have very strong brand advantages and distribution, but visit AI is best. There, and in this autumn, 24 release like a lot better. And these guys are, you know, they’re, they’re working with products. They’re making announcements about things they’re going to do in the future. We deployed this last week. Law firms have been using this to orange 24 release. It’s already out. Yeah, they’ve been using this for a while. We don’t really do vaporware, so we are announcing stuff that we have already done and that our clients are already using. And so this, this is a place where I think we are maybe punching above our weight a little bit. We are not multi billion dollar global conglomerate, but I think our tools are more global and better than the tools from those incumbents.
Greg Lambert 35:46
Awesome. Well, Ed Walters from vLex, I appreciate you coming in and giving us a little show and tell on the autumn 2024 release for vLex and docket alarm and now Vita, although you know diva, you know for the Fall 2025, release, maybe, maybe switch out. So if the listeners and viewers want to learn more about it, what’s the best place for them to reach out?
Ed Walters 36:17
Yeah, so you can go to bless.com forward, slash Vincent, and you’ll see all the information about Vince AI there, maybe in the show notes, there’s a knowledge base for each individual skill, so you can get more information about what they do. And if you include late to that, you can find very specific information about each one of these workflow tools.
Greg Lambert 36:44
Well, again, thank you. I’ll make sure I put those in the show notes. So thanks again, Ed, thank you, Greg. All right, and thanks to everyone for listening and watching the show. Until today, we’ll be back with Marlene with our regular show next week and so.