tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3248863093001003125.post3870135274123162028..comments2009-08-13T21:01:08.128-05:00Lihsahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07377484000156287824noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3248863093001003125.post-54043517382359576872009-08-13T21:01:08.128-05:002009-08-13T21:01:08.128-05:00I use HootSuite but I don&#39;t use their Ow.ly link shorting service. I was excited (at first) that they offered stats, but decidedly turned off when those stats didn&#39;t aggregate my bit.ly links. I was already using bit.ly and had settled upon it because it offered link tracking and real-time click-through info.<br /><br />It was only today, before I came across your post, that I found out about HootSuites use of frames and adsense. That just reinforced my earlier decision not to use Ow.ly. I think the framing is overly intrusive and a big-turn off. Actually, I don&#39;t understand why they don&#39;t embrace a stats gathering model like bit.ly&#39;s. It already works (wonderfully, except for no export).<br /><br />BTW, yes, someone is &quot;listening&quot; to you guys. :) Keep up the great postings.Vernessa Taylorhttp://twitter.com/VernessaTaylornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3248863093001003125.post-65369435655327132072009-05-11T08:38:00.000-05:002009-05-11T08:38:00.000-05:00Jeff-<br />Apparently HootSuite is going to have a "pay service" that will allow you to still track your click-thrus without the frames. I didn't see a pricing model on that service yet.Greg Lamberthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01517081481973019036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3248863093001003125.post-51404557753582615162009-05-09T16:55:00.000-05:002009-05-09T16:55:00.000-05:00Thanks for the thorough review of Hootsuite and pointing out the framing. <br /><br />Even though I had clicked on some links through ow.ly prior to reading your blog, I had not noticed the framing. Now I do....gee thanks :-)<br /><br />I want to use Twitter to drive business and having the click-through metrics would be great, but I agree I don't think I want the framing either.Jeff Baleshttp://jeffbales.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3248863093001003125.post-20111209400022668332009-03-31T22:10:00.000-05:002009-03-31T22:10:00.000-05:00Toby - <BR/><BR/>It is so strange to call you "Toby". ;) <BR/><BR/>One of these days you're going to have to explain to me what in the heck Twitter is. Hehe.<BR/><BR/>Luv ya!<BR/><BR/>- PGLil' KJhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05131703349103540907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3248863093001003125.post-56064142947389516112009-03-30T22:23:00.000-05:002009-03-30T22:23:00.000-05:00Thanks for the product review. I was considering this tool, but after reading about the framing issues, I will move one to other twitter apps.Dirty LAWndryhttp://dirtylawndry.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3248863093001003125.post-81025953584001824592009-03-30T09:00:00.000-05:002009-03-30T09:00:00.000-05:00Lisa -<BR/><BR/>I think all the other stuff that Ow.ly does in the HootSuite is great. I also think that linking is great.<BR/><BR/>I am vehemently opposed to framing other's content. That is the feature I hate about Ow.ly. Regardless of whether there is an ad in the frame or not. <BR/><BR/>If you use the framing as part of a company strategy, you are just as likely to get sued for copyright infringement as Ow.ly or adjix are.Doug Corneliushttp://www.compliancebuilding.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3248863093001003125.post-62725334886195448602009-03-29T13:45:00.000-05:002009-03-29T13:45:00.000-05:00As someone who is posting for two different entities and one that is definitely asking for metrics on this whole "Twitter" think, I will definitely continue to use it for measuring the activity on our links.<BR/><BR/>One thing that Greg doesn't mention is that Ow.ly link allows HootSuite to generate instant statistical analysis on the links, displaying how effective a tweet is and whether the tweet needs to be revised.<BR/><BR/>As a marketer, I love it. Great stats that allow for A/B testing.<BR/><BR/>As a lawyer, I love it. Great stats that tell me whether or not I am wasting my time on twitter.<BR/><BR/>As a user, makes posting to multiple social sites really easy and retweeting even easier.<BR/><BR/>As for adsense, not doing 'em or using 'em.<BR/><BR/>In mind, the benefits definitely outweigh the costs.<BR/><BR/>However, while reading some coverage on the TotalNews case I had to smile a little bit when I read one of TotalNews president's arguments that "'[he] believe[s] linking is a fundamental right on the Internet.'"<BR/><BR/>Is it? Now, that is an interesting debate.<BR/><BR/>http://news.cnet.com/2100-1023-200295.htmlLisa Salazarhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07377484000156287824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3248863093001003125.post-56650559476965939542009-03-29T12:22:00.000-05:002009-03-29T12:22:00.000-05:00Greg -<BR/><BR/>I have no issue with link tracking. There are ways to do that without framing. Bit.ly has a rich feature set. You should give it a try.<BR/><BR/>I am lazy and use Tinyurl because it adds a right click shorten URL link with a Firefox extension.Doug Corneliushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13599519275050428569noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3248863093001003125.post-53658502137684052372009-03-29T07:59:00.000-05:002009-03-29T07:59:00.000-05:00Doug,<BR/><BR/>I'm not a big fan of the frame either. Once I saw that ow.ly also lets you put your Adsense code in to get revenue from the frame, I decided it was too intrusive and will not use it.<BR/><BR/>However, should the person that has pointed people to your blog be able to know the number of "click-thrus" that he or she produced? How about the way people post things via "Friend Feed" which basically takes you to their Friend Feed page first, then makes you click a second time to go to the web page they Tweeted about? <A HREF="http://friendfeed.com/e/d0220dc2-5126-a37d-9d1b-951f5789c924/Ignore-your-critics/?ffim" REL="nofollow">(Here's an example)</A> <BR/><BR/>Seems there should be some type of reward other than personal gratification for someone that pushes traffic to another webpage via Twitter.Greg Lamberthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01517081481973019036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3248863093001003125.post-4963945879245850112009-03-28T20:27:00.000-05:002009-03-28T20:27:00.000-05:00Greg -<BR/><BR/>Incarnation of Satan may be a bit much, but definitely a spawn of Satan.<BR/><BR/>I am not a copyright expert, but it seems to me that framing is a copyright violation. (There was the TotalNews case, but it was settled before we could could get some law on this. Infer what you want from TotalNew stopping the framing as part of the undisclosed settlement.) I expect that this feature of Ow.ly won't last long, once the lawyers start sniffing around.<BR/><BR/>Even if it is not illegal, it robs websites of traffic. You, like me, put up blog posts because we feel like saying something. We don't sell ads, we don't have sponsors and nobody pays us to write. All I (and I assume you) want in return is some page hits and the occasional comment. We want to know that someone is listening and that we are not just talking to ourselves.<BR/><BR/>Ow.ly seems to rob us the page hits so I would not know that you viewed my page or where you came from. I don't ask for much, but it is nice to know that you stopped by and who sent you. Ow.ly takes that away.<BR/><BR/>Don't get me started on the adsense feature of ow.ly. If I wanted ads associated with my site, I would put them there. I don't want someone framing my content with a Viagra ad.<BR/><BR/>I appreciate some of the other features. I think bit.ly has some of these. Personally, I use tinyurl because it has a Firefox extension that created the shortened link with a right mouse click.Doug Corneliushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13599519275050428569noreply@blogger.com