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term='SAAS'/><title type='text'>Comments on 3 Geeks and a Law Blog: No Risk - All Reward?</title><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.geeklawblog.com/feeds/1941558519251813098/comments/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3248863093001003125/1941558519251813098/comments/default'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://www.geeklawblog.com/2009/01/no-risk-all-reward.html'/><author><name>Lihsa</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07377484000156287824</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-pY3F6etiIc0/TYpEaeHORHI/AAAAAAAABEQ/qx0Yl_eTNgE/s220/01192011closeup.jpg'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>4</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3248863093001003125.post-1055702857116067883</id><published>2009-01-13T13:24:00.000-06:00</published><updated>2009-01-13T13:24:00.000-06:00</updated><title type='text'>Jackie, very good point on the retainer - especial...</title><content type='html'>Jackie, very good point on the retainer - especially since it should be very doable to calculate the ROI on each deal since the time tracking methods are already in place, as you mention.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I'd be interested to hear your thoughts/experiences on how best to estimate the retainer amount initially - and other best practices that come to mind.  Thanks, looking forward to your further insights.</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3248863093001003125/1941558519251813098/comments/default/1055702857116067883'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3248863093001003125/1941558519251813098/comments/default/1055702857116067883'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://www.geeklawblog.com/2009/01/no-risk-all-reward.html?showComment=1231874640000#c1055702857116067883' title=''/><author><name>Brett Owens</name><uri>http://chrometa.com</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://www.geeklawblog.com/2009/01/no-risk-all-reward.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3248863093001003125.post-1941558519251813098' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3248863093001003125/posts/default/1941558519251813098' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='blogger.itemClass' value='pid-947189052'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3248863093001003125.post-2029768635181124276</id><published>2009-01-13T08:50:00.001-06:00</published><updated>2009-01-13T08:50:00.001-06:00</updated><title type='text'>True, lawyers hate risk, but so do clients.  The c...</title><content type='html'>True, lawyers hate risk, but so do clients.  The current system puts most or all of the risk of legal fees on corporate managers, who often have the least ability to manage this risk.  To better balance the risk, how about throwing out the billable hour for the old-fashioned idea of monthly retainer?  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I have been practicing long enough to remember old timers saying "back in the good ole days we just wrote down the same number every month and 'said for services rendered'."  When I started practicing almost 15 years ago, the monthly retainer system seemed archaic.  However, I now believe it is time to revive it, especially for counseling heavy legal tasks. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The retainer system allows lawyers to better adjust the risk on both sides.  If the monthly retainer amount is estimated correctly, some months the lawyer should come out ahead and some months the client will come out ahead, but overall both sides should balance.  The risk is calculable on the law firm side because we lawyers are trained to keep time, therefore, the managing law firm lawyer can clearly assess the ROI of her representation from month to month.  Retainers also will address a primary complaint of clients: the unpredictability of legal fees from month to month that totally messes up an inhouse lawyer's internal budgeting.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Of course, this will not be feasible for all types of legal services, but I for one would be happy to know that the clock doesn't tick in 6 minute increments when I call up outside counsel to ask a legal question.</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3248863093001003125/1941558519251813098/comments/default/2029768635181124276'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3248863093001003125/1941558519251813098/comments/default/2029768635181124276'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://www.geeklawblog.com/2009/01/no-risk-all-reward.html?showComment=1231858200001#c2029768635181124276' title=''/><author><name>Jackie Hutter, Intellectual Property and Patent Business Strategist and "Recovering Patent Lawyer"</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12023310886433949839</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='23' src='http://bp3.blogger.com/_9KmVEF_RXSQ/SIqT0aCeXgI/AAAAAAAAAAM/P5L4M4qPwBQ/S220/Jackie+Picture.jpg'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://www.geeklawblog.com/2009/01/no-risk-all-reward.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3248863093001003125.post-1941558519251813098' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3248863093001003125/posts/default/1941558519251813098' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='blogger.itemClass' value='pid-1279012913'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3248863093001003125.post-3846931662921775380</id><published>2009-01-13T08:50:00.000-06:00</published><updated>2009-01-13T08:50:00.000-06:00</updated><title type='text'>Doug - thanks for the comment and the points you r...</title><content type='html'>Doug - thanks for the comment and the points you raise.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;First - Alternative billing should include communication with the client about whether they want to pay for "every last point" as part of their service.  If they do, build it into the fee.  The problem with hourly billing is the client pays for that even when they don't want it or need it.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Second - this is just the type of risk in question.  Yes - there will be some instances where a lawyer may be tempted to cut corners.  But just like every other professional service provider, they would be fools to do so.  Any business that lacks a focus on providing good customer service will suffer.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Lawyers who want to be profitable professionals already have to make tough decisions about the financial impact of certain clients and matters.  Alternative billing changes the nature of these decisions and removes the counter motivation of financial reward for inefficiencies.</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3248863093001003125/1941558519251813098/comments/default/3846931662921775380'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3248863093001003125/1941558519251813098/comments/default/3846931662921775380'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://www.geeklawblog.com/2009/01/no-risk-all-reward.html?showComment=1231858200000#c3846931662921775380' title=''/><author><name>Toby Brown</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04805447401908189793</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='21' height='32' src='http://bp2.blogger.com/_PcL18ufT4EE/SHP4WiLH38I/AAAAAAAAAPs/9FtYdsMvqIs/S220/-4.jpg'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://www.geeklawblog.com/2009/01/no-risk-all-reward.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3248863093001003125.post-1941558519251813098' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3248863093001003125/posts/default/1941558519251813098' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='blogger.itemClass' value='pid-528172393'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3248863093001003125.post-3843405838119172217</id><published>2009-01-13T08:06:00.000-06:00</published><updated>2009-01-13T08:06:00.000-06:00</updated><title type='text'>The other side to billing arrangements is aligning...</title><content type='html'>The other side to billing arrangements is aligning the motivation for the lawyer and the client for the case.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;You want the lawyer to motivated not only by maintaining professional standards but also by financial reward.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;If you charge a flat rate for a transaction, do you start cutting corners if the transaction drags on and on?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Does quality slide because of steps taken for efficiency?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Will the lawyer fight for every last point if there is no reward for the lawyer?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;These types are questions that are often asked on both sides of the relationship.</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3248863093001003125/1941558519251813098/comments/default/3843405838119172217'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3248863093001003125/1941558519251813098/comments/default/3843405838119172217'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://www.geeklawblog.com/2009/01/no-risk-all-reward.html?showComment=1231855560000#c3843405838119172217' title=''/><author><name>Doug Cornelius</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/13599519275050428569</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='25' height='32' src='http://dougcornelius.com/images/cornelius_d.jpg'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://www.geeklawblog.com/2009/01/no-risk-all-reward.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3248863093001003125.post-1941558519251813098' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3248863093001003125/posts/default/1941558519251813098' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='blogger.itemClass' value='pid-417820267'/></entry></feed>
